juniatmoko Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 What a strike! Honestly he is one of the reason we still endure to watch our team to play we are that poor! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Pretty sure me, Kanji and Cuba agreed he should be our captain last night. We knew. Seems to care more than the rest of the team put together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 It is a little funny there is this anti-French thing going on this forum at the moment yet our best and most passionate player is, erm... French Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Without too much 'dissection' of Pardew's comments; am a little disappointed that he played down his creativity and labelled some of the stuff he did as poor. What does he want from him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 The lass who sits behind me HATES Ben Arfa. Absolutely hates him. All I heard first half was "fuuuhhhhhckin' hell man. He's soooooo lazy. He just stands there. And he's sooooo greedy" She piped down a bit when he scored like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 That shot man, perfection. It just snaps, the movement in the shot happens so fast, and the keeper have no time to react. You could tell how much scoring for us means to him, looks like he does not know what to do after its in the net Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 I was surprised that Pardew let him on yesterday. I was so sure he would be the first one to be subbed. Has Pardew ever subbed Benny off when we were needing a goal badly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Not when fully fit I don't think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 The lass who sits behind me HATES Ben Arfa. Absolutely hates him. All I heard first half was "fuuuhhhhhckin' hell man. He's soooooo lazy. He just stands there. And he's sooooo greedy" She piped down a bit when he scored like. In his first season he never tracked back but now he seems to do that a lot, so I can't see how anyone can call him lazy. My gripe has always been the same as everyone else's, sometimes he needs to know when to pass it to someone else. Despite this the guy is my favourite player at the club. I don't get the comments about him being captain come from, yeah I think his attitude has changed dramatically from what it was when he was at other clubs and yeah I think he's got passion for the club, however I just don't think he is a natural leader. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 his first season consisted of 4 games. Not sure you can create a consensus of laziness on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 The lass who sits behind me HATES Ben Arfa. Absolutely hates him. All I heard first half was "fuuuhhhhhckin' hell man. He's soooooo lazy. He just stands there. And he's sooooo greedy" She piped down a bit when he scored like. In his first season he never tracked back but now he seems to do that a lot, so I can't see how anyone can call him lazy. My gripe has always been the same as everyone else's, sometimes he needs to know when to pass it to someone else. Despite this the guy is my favourite player at the club. I don't get the comments about him being captain come from, yeah I think his attitude has changed dramatically from what it was when he was at other clubs and yeah I think he's got passion for the club, however I just don't think he is a natural leader. Depends what you want from a captain. Most thought Cabaye would be decent, me included, and I'd argue Colo isn't really a leader. What Ben Arfa does do is drag the team forward when the chips are down. Colo aside I can't see who would be a good choice, certainly not Taylor Mbiwa and Sissoko certainly have captaincy credentials. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 He's so cute in those interviews Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Despite him being everywhere yesterday I do think team mates sometimes don't make runs when he's on the ball because they know the little beggar won't pass it. I saw it happen a couple of times yesterday, but I'm hoping it improves when Remy starts more matches. Once him and Gouffran started stretching the play, Ben Arfa started releasing the ball quicker I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Without too much 'dissection' of Pardew's comments; am a little disappointed that he played down his creativity and labelled some of the stuff he did as poor. What does he want from him? One of the only things I give credit to Pardew for is managing Ben Arfa correctly and I think he still is here. Basically he's treating him as he is, a world class talent, so his standards are higher for him than of other players. Used to annoy the hell out of me 2 years ago when Pardew would constantly criticise Ben Arfa for something and then someone like Obertan would get praised. Further down the line now I can see what he's doing. Obertan was at his limits whereas Ben Arfa always had another level he can go to when he's focused. He's right as well because for just over half of that game Hatem was making incorrect decisions, for example shooting from 30 odd yards when he's got people in the box etc. 2nd half was far better as he was shooting at the right times and crossing at the right times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Pretty sure one of the reasons people hate on him is because he reminds them of the kid at school who was way better than you and would never pass. He's too good for some people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Without too much 'dissection' of Pardew's comments; am a little disappointed that he played down his creativity and labelled some of the stuff he did as poor. What does he want from him? One of the only things I give credit to Pardew for is managing Ben Arfa correctly and I think he still is here. Basically he's treating him as he is, a world class talent, so his standards are higher for him than of other players. Used to annoy the hell out of me 2 years ago when Pardew would constantly criticise Ben Arfa for something and then someone like Obertan would get praised. Further down the line now I can see what he's doing. Obertan was at his limits whereas Ben Arfa always had another level he can go to when he's focused. He's right as well because for just over half of that game Hatem was making incorrect decisions, for example shooting from 30 odd yards when he's got people in the box etc. 2nd half was far better as he was shooting at the right times and crossing at the right times. Agreed, Pardew isn't a totally inept manager across all accounts. His man-management is often very good with almost all our players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Without too much 'dissection' of Pardew's comments; am a little disappointed that he played down his creativity and labelled some of the stuff he did as poor. What does he want from him? One of the only things I give credit to Pardew for is managing Ben Arfa correctly and I think he still is here. Basically he's treating him as he is, a world class talent, so his standards are higher for him than of other players. Used to annoy the hell out of me 2 years ago when Pardew would constantly criticise Ben Arfa for something and then someone like Obertan would get praised. Further down the line now I can see what he's doing. Obertan was at his limits whereas Ben Arfa always had another level he can go to when he's focused. He's right as well because for just over half of that game Hatem was making incorrect decisions, for example shooting from 30 odd yards when he's got people in the box etc. 2nd half was far better as he was shooting at the right times and crossing at the right times. Agreed, Pardew isn't a totally inept manager across all accounts. His man-management is often very good with almost all our players. The fact that Shola hasn't been let go is proof of that. He likes everyone. He seems like a nice person, just a terrible manager, who shouldn't be managing this football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Despite him being everywhere yesterday I do think team mates sometimes don't make runs when he's on the ball because they know the little beggar won't pass it. I saw it happen a couple of times yesterday, but I'm hoping it improves when Remy starts more matches. Once him and Gouffran started stretching the play, Ben Arfa started releasing the ball quicker I thought. There was one moment yesterday where Ben Arfa was marked by 3 players, Debuchy came forward to help him, was completely alone but Ben Arfa decided he wanted to do it alone anyway. IIRC he did get the cross in or a corner tbf. HBA just loves taking the piss out of the opposition, it can be frustrating at times but its worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Yep not much has changed between the Simpson - Ben Arfa and Debuchy - Ben Arfa Hatem will still more often than not take it on himself and ignore Debuchy. Difference is Debuchy can actually cross and shoot so should be far more useful long term offensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Without too much 'dissection' of Pardew's comments; am a little disappointed that he played down his creativity and labelled some of the stuff he did as poor. What does he want from him? One of the only things I give credit to Pardew for is managing Ben Arfa correctly and I think he still is here. Basically he's treating him as he is, a world class talent, so his standards are higher for him than of other players. Used to annoy the hell out of me 2 years ago when Pardew would constantly criticise Ben Arfa for something and then someone like Obertan would get praised. Further down the line now I can see what he's doing. Obertan was at his limits whereas Ben Arfa always had another level he can go to when he's focused. He's right as well because for just over half of that game Hatem was making incorrect decisions, for example shooting from 30 odd yards when he's got people in the box etc. 2nd half was far better as he was shooting at the right times and crossing at the right times. Agreed, Pardew isn't a totally inept manager across all accounts. His man-management is often very good with almost all our players. His wife management is even better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Despite him being everywhere yesterday I do think team mates sometimes don't make runs when he's on the ball because they know the little beggar won't pass it. I saw it happen a couple of times yesterday, but I'm hoping it improves when Remy starts more matches. Once him and Gouffran started stretching the play, Ben Arfa started releasing the ball quicker I thought. Saw it too many times throughout every one of his games at nufc, holding onto the ball and losing it. He is lucky his name is not tiote. Otherwise everyone will be begging for him to be ousted from the line up. Funny enough even Pardew pointed that out yesterday saying he was pulling his grey hairs out due to hba not passing at the right time, and making the team disjointed. Really frustrating player, blessed with brilliance but lacking maturity football wise. Hopefully that will come with time. He has the ability to become so much more if he can sort out the fundamentals of his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Despite him being everywhere yesterday I do think team mates sometimes don't make runs when he's on the ball because they know the little beggar won't pass it. I saw it happen a couple of times yesterday, but I'm hoping it improves when Remy starts more matches. Once him and Gouffran started stretching the play, Ben Arfa started releasing the ball quicker I thought. Saw it too many times throughout every one of his games at nufc, holding onto the ball and losing it. He is lucky his name is not tiote. Otherwise everyone will be begging for him to be ousted from the line up. Funny enough even Pardew pointed that out yesterday saying he was pulling his grey hairs out due to hba not passing at the right time, and making the team disjointed. Really frustrating player, blessed with brilliance but lacking maturity football wise. Hopefully that will come with time. He has the ability to become so much more if he can sort out the fundamentals of the game. What a load of bollocks, sorry. If Tiote took players on all game long and scored the occasional wonder goal people wouldn't give a shit that he gives the ball away occasionally. If we had more movement and better people to pass to other than Shola then he would. Just look at the second half yesterday for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Despite him being everywhere yesterday I do think team mates sometimes don't make runs when he's on the ball because they know the little beggar won't pass it. I saw it happen a couple of times yesterday, but I'm hoping it improves when Remy starts more matches. Once him and Gouffran started stretching the play, Ben Arfa started releasing the ball quicker I thought. Saw it too many times throughout every one of his games at nufc, holding onto the ball and losing it. He is lucky his name is not tiote. Otherwise everyone will be begging for him to be ousted from the line up. Funny enough even Pardew pointed that out yesterday saying he was pulling his grey hairs out due to hba not passing at the right time, and making the team disjointed. Really frustrating player, blessed with brilliance but lacking maturity football wise. Hopefully that will come with time. He has the ability to become so much more if he can sort out the fundamentals of his game. This is about as wrong as you could possibly be. Well done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Despite him being everywhere yesterday I do think team mates sometimes don't make runs when he's on the ball because they know the little beggar won't pass it. I saw it happen a couple of times yesterday, but I'm hoping it improves when Remy starts more matches. Once him and Gouffran started stretching the play, Ben Arfa started releasing the ball quicker I thought. Saw it too many times throughout every one of his games at nufc, holding onto the ball and losing it. He is lucky his name is not tiote. Otherwise everyone will be begging for him to be ousted from the line up. Funny enough even Pardew pointed that out yesterday saying he was pulling his grey hairs out due to hba not passing at the right time, and making the team disjointed. Really frustrating player, blessed with brilliance but lacking maturity football wise. Hopefully that will come with time. He has the ability to become so much more if he can sort out the fundamentals of the game. What a load of bollocks, sorry. If Tiote took players on all game long and scored the occasional wonder goal people wouldn't give a s*** that he gives the ball away occasionally. If we had more movement and better people to pass to other than Shola then he would. Just look at the second half yesterday for example. Nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Despite him being everywhere yesterday I do think team mates sometimes don't make runs when he's on the ball because they know the little beggar won't pass it. I saw it happen a couple of times yesterday, but I'm hoping it improves when Remy starts more matches. Once him and Gouffran started stretching the play, Ben Arfa started releasing the ball quicker I thought. Saw it too many times throughout every one of his games at nufc, holding onto the ball and losing it. He is lucky his name is not tiote. Otherwise everyone will be begging for him to be ousted from the line up. Funny enough even Pardew pointed that out yesterday saying he was pulling his grey hairs out due to hba not passing at the right time, and making the team disjointed. Really frustrating player, blessed with brilliance but lacking maturity football wise. Hopefully that will come with time. He has the ability to become so much more if he can sort out the fundamentals of the game. What a load of bollocks, sorry. If Tiote took players on all game long and scored the occasional wonder goal people wouldn't give a s*** that he gives the ball away occasionally. If we had more movement and better people to pass to other than Shola then he would. Just look at the second half yesterday for example. Nonsense. Until Tiote assists two goals and scores one the same week, you should probably stay clear of comparing the two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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