loki679 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 What a cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Aye it's definitely Hatem Ben Arfa that's lost my trust, rather than Alan Pardew who lubes up Newcastle United's arsehole every time he sees a mackem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 What exactly has he done to lose their 'trust'? We don't really know based on that - might have been a proper bellend behind the scenes, can imagine some teammates might not be overly impressed with him being so obviously out of shape for most the season for instance. I love HBA but I'm sure he's not entirely blameless in whatever's gone on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 What exactly has he done to lose their 'trust'? We don't really know based on that - might have been a proper bellend behind the scenes, can imagine some teammates might not be overly impressed with him being so obviously out of shape for most the season for instance. I love HBA but I'm sure he's not entirely blameless in whatever's gone on. It'll be his lack of passing if anything. Not that I think there is really anything in this at all beyond Pardew being an absolute fraud of a manager, the arch-bullshit merchant that he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Not sure who our "senior" players are these days - other than Colo and Shola and the latter has no right to have an opinion on another player's performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 ‘Hatem is in a pool of players that you can ask is he going to be a success here. 'If it is, then they stay. If it's not then we'll move them on. ‘In the short term we've given him a fitness programme because in the last few games he played for us he didn't play very well by his own admission. 'His confidence is a little low, and his fitness was a bit low for whatever reason. ‘He missed six days with a family illness so we've got some extra work into him and he looks a little bit more confident. He's not ready to start this game but he will be on the bench. He needs a good finish to the season and he's aware of that for a number of reasons. ‘I don't think I've ever lost patience with any player. I have been accused of that in the past but that's never been truthful. 'I've not lost patience with him but he has to gain the trust of not just me, but of our players and our fans that he's the real deal if he's going to play. ‘The bottom line with Hatem is this - don't confuse that I have a problem with his work-rate. If he's getting assists and goals, then that balances itself out. If he isn't then it isn't balancing up. He needs to get that balance right.’ Silly Hatem hitting the post and stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Ah fuck off, Pards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 The decree from the all knowing and credible football genius that is Alan Pardew. If you don't get goals or assists, you better just run around and show some effort (Jonas). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndegwa Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Pardew To be fair to him I don't think he knows what the fuck he's on about half the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Just play him, please. 5 years since I've seen us play, he's the only player I really want to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Chibas Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Little or no forward movement (from the midfield unit) means the assists will be on the lowish side. And it's difficult for the lad to carve out a wonder goal, carrying it from deep - sometimes from RB. Catch 22 situation for this lad, due to how Pardoo sets the team up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 It is understood that a group of senior players at St James' Park have expressed annoyance at Ben Arfa's lack of work-rate and discipline and have made it clear they do not believe he currently merits a starting place in Pardew's first team. While they acknowledge the 27-year-old's ability with the ball at his feet such critics feel he can be a liability when possession is lost. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/21/newcastle-hatem-ben-arfa-players-discipline? Wonder if one of the senior players is Debuchy - his form definitely improved once he had Sissoko in front of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Player power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Sell them all!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Sell them all!!! BUT NOT BEN ARFA!! WE'LL BEN ARFA THE FUCK OUT OF EVERYONE!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 "he has to gain the trust of not just me, but of our players and our fans" The man who said this nutted a player live on TV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 "he has to gain the trust of not just me, but of our players and our fans" The man who said this nutted a player live on TV. Hatem does seem to be an easy target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 It is understood that a group of senior players at St James' Park have expressed annoyance at Ben Arfa's lack of work-rate and discipline and have made it clear they do not believe he currently merits a starting place in Pardew's first team. While they acknowledge the 27-year-old's ability with the ball at his feet such critics feel he can be a liability when possession is lost. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/21/newcastle-hatem-ben-arfa-players-discipline? Wonder if one of the senior players is Debuchy - his form definitely improved once he had Sissoko in front of him. Sissoko and Cisse were hammering HBA at the Cardiff FA Cup game, giving him pelters for not closing down the keeper amongst other things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Are we suggesting that players shouting at each other is a sign of mistrust? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Are we suggesting that players shouting at each other is a sign of mistrust? I'm suggesting his reluctance to do what they were telling him and shrugging his shoulders and putting his arms out wide is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 When everyone is being dragged of to Dubai and other places around the world for training camps, then Ben Arfa cba so he stays behind on his own, that can't help with his team bonding. Personally I think Pardew has had enough of him one way or another, I think it's more off pitch than on it. His excuses for on the pitch related issues are tedious and pathetic. We can only hope this fitness programme had got him back on track and we'll see a better HBA over coming weeks. Pardew has hinted there that he'll play again once fully fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Shame really. From March - October 2012 I genuinely thought he could go on to be one of the best players I'd seen at the club. Got that injury, and while he was on the sidelines he piled on the weight. He's been completely out of shape for most of the last 12 months now and appears to have knocked back about 3 contract offers over that time. There's just over a year on his current deal now. Disappointing, but he clearly can't be arsed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Some of you make yourselves look like Hatem Ben Arfa "fanboys". Hear no evil, see no evil when it comes to Hatem Ben Arfa. Senior players at NUFC criticise Hatem Ben Arfa and it's those players who are wrong? Those players who actually know the guy and see him every day. Hatem Ben Arfa has a history of never fitting in at any club. Apparently that's always the fault of the managers at whichever club he's at. Hatem Ben Arfa is an extremely poor man's Ronaldo or Messi. I'd love him to play his way into the team. Who wouldn't? He needs to perform and he needs to do it consistently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 I dunno, was easy to blame Pards but if it's true the players also turned on him, as well as he clearly isn't making the effort in training (well documented chubbiness), then he is obviously a significant part of the issue. Shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 My uncles mate was apparently at some coaching day at the training ground the other day, they watched the 1st team train etc and then at the end had the chance to ask Pardew some questions. Someone asked Pardew about Ben Arfa and some of his answers were: We have a better win percentage without Ben Arfa They have watched some tapes of some performances and the players seem to be frustrated with Ben Arfa's work rate (eh??) When we get beat heavily Ben Arfa is usually in the team (eh???) So in other words its all Ben Arfa's fault! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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