Guest bimpy474 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 If you have this lad in the team, then the ball needs to go through him and Cabaye, not over them. While it did go through the midfield more against Arsenal. Signing a Carroll type, which seems to be Pardew wish. We will only go more direct. Signing a Carroll type doesn't have to mean we will go more direct, of course it doesn't. Pardew is the manager though, so that's exactly what will happen imo, therefore not helping Anita at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 You don't need a "tackler". Do Bayern have a "tackler"? No, they have three competent, very athletic ball carriers who can all pass with metronomic accuracy. They then teach them how to tackle sufficiently to win the ball back. If we had a decent coach, or any coach, they could just teach Vurnon how to tackle sufficiently to win the ball back and play it. The British obsession with having a holding midfielder/destroyer is another thing holding our game back. Midfielders are the links and the engine in a football team, they all need to be comply comfortable in possession, accurate in passing and adept at finding space first and foremost. Then you teach them how to tackle. Of course, this being Pardew's team, the priorities are ability to tackle, hoof towards a vague space in front (preferably where opposition team member is standing) and then stand on defence's toes as time goes on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 All he needs to do is learn the deepest midfielder positioning for this team and use his pace and intelligence to read the game and either be in the right place first, or work on his timing of nicking the ball. I'm thinking with time, he'll learn that and be a top player (hopefully here). The young kid was schooled at Ajax man, his training was far superior before he came here to work under the excuse-man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 You don't need a "tackler". Do Bayern have a "tackler"? No, they have three competent, very athletic ball carriers who can all pass with metronomic accuracy. They then teach them how to tackle sufficiently to win the ball back. If we had a decent coach, or any coach, they could just teach Vurnon how to tackle sufficiently to win the ball back and play it. The British obsession with having a holding midfielder/destroyer is another thing holding our game back. Midfielders are the links and the engine in a football team, they all need to be comply comfortable in possession, accurate in passing and adept at finding space first and foremost. Then you teach them how to tackle. Of course, this being Pardew's team, the priorities are ability to tackle, hoof towards a vague space in front (preferably where opposition team member is standing) and then stand on defence's toes as time goes on. Every player will bring their own package of strengths and weaknesses, but I'd agree that the idea of the specialist ball-winner who can't pass is looking increasingly out of date at Premiership level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 You don't need a "tackler". Do Bayern have a "tackler"? No, they have three competent, very athletic ball carriers who can all pass with metronomic accuracy. They then teach them how to tackle sufficiently to win the ball back. If we had a decent coach, or any coach, they could just teach Vurnon how to tackle sufficiently to win the ball back and play it. The British obsession with having a holding midfielder/destroyer is another thing holding our game back. Midfielders are the links and the engine in a football team, they all need to be comply comfortable in possession, accurate in passing and adept at finding space first and foremost. Then you teach them how to tackle. Of course, this being Pardew's team, the priorities are ability to tackle, hoof towards a vague space in front (preferably where opposition team member is standing) and then stand on defence's toes as time goes on. By the time a player reaches his age, shouldn't he be able to that already? It isn't kind of like too late to teach him that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Players shouldn't even need to tackle if the team presses effectively as one unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Anita Sissoko Cabaye Just once. HBA Remy Cisse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Players shouldn't even need to tackle if the team presses effectively as one unit. Very true, and as has been said before: Anita's technique and movement would most likely buy us time, we panic in possession in our own half so fucking much, mainly because we play static and slow players in a formation completley lacking the necessary dynamics. Anita would "make us tick" (cliché, I know) with moving players around him. There's also an overwhelming chance of less hoofing from the back four if we play him. Seems to move into spaces where he can receive the ball all the time, always an option even for those lacking any passing ability of note. Insted of Cabaye standing next to Williamson, waiting to lunge it forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Players shouldn't even need to tackle if the team presses effectively as one unit. Come on, Wullie. Bit of realism here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 You don't need a "tackler". Do Bayern have a "tackler"? No, they have three competent, very athletic ball carriers who can all pass with metronomic accuracy. They then teach them how to tackle sufficiently to win the ball back. If we had a decent coach, or any coach, they could just teach Vurnon how to tackle sufficiently to win the ball back and play it. The British obsession with having a holding midfielder/destroyer is another thing holding our game back. Midfielders are the links and the engine in a football team, they all need to be comply comfortable in possession, accurate in passing and adept at finding space first and foremost. Then you teach them how to tackle. Of course, this being Pardew's team, the priorities are ability to tackle, hoof towards a vague space in front (preferably where opposition team member is standing) and then stand on defence's toes as time goes on. The only thing you're missing is that teams that don't play with a tackler or sweeper have really good CB's and their back 4 works as a unit when defending and to keep possession. As good as Colo was last season, he still got ripped apart by the pacier players in the league and don't get me started on Willo or S.Taylor. And when you consider the number of physical forwards and midfielders in the league, having an "enforcer" is a necessity and not an option Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Time to shine I guess. Let's hope a season bedding in, and a place opening up in the team lets him grow from the odd glimpse he's shown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Don't know if he has an array of passes on him to be more than a tidy up midfielder that plays simple passes. Hopefully he can prove something to us this term and show more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 He'll be a like a new signing, considering how rarely Pardew started him in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 He'll be off IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Cautiously optimistic about him. He's got talent, let's see if he can put it together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 At least he might get a fucking game now and again. Pity it's not Tiote he's replacing, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 He'll come good for us. Step up Vurnon son. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 i like the kid, always have, but it'd be fucking utter madness to start the season with him as our main hopes for CM we'd either be great, or a certainty for relegation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 I like him, think he is a very good player even though he struggled a bit last season BUT there is no way he is going to play a bigger part next season, not unless we plan on bringing in a manager that actually wants to play football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 He'll be off IMO. He could (rightly) say he hasn't been used correctly by pardew. But no other Newcastle player has either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 If there is a silver lining to Cabaye (possibly) leaving it's that Vurnon will get more starts this coming season. I think this dude is class and really just needs a few starts to show it to the faithful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Was one of our better players in Dec/Jan before he was dropped. Get's the ball moving quickly - one of very few of our lads to pass and go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 hope to see him much more next season. hope we keep these and plays like this: 3 man central midfield: tiote * or cabaye Sissoko Cabaye * or Anita Perch should be behind anita next season. Bigi loan maybe. Jonas bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Still like him a lot, he's got a great range of passing imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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