TRon Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 In my mind there is no question he is tactically better than Pardew. I'm not convinced he's a PDC style cunt either though. That seems to be what we are basing our criticisms on. But the Brighton forums seem to view him quite positively, and in the two games against us, his teams seemed far more motivated than ours did under Pardew. Devils advocate but aren't the minnows always likely to be 'more up for it'? As I said earlier, Brighton could string passes together which was enough to impress me but Sunderland could appoint literally anyone (say Paolo Di Canio for example) and some will instantly be doom and gloom claiming he is a good manager/have a feeling he will be a success based on very little. I can't speak for anyone else, but I created a thread about Poyet after last season's cup defeat based purely on the qualities I saw in his side. Most of the objections in that thread were based on him being a cunt due to scoring goals against us and being associated with Dennis Wise. If you dug a little deeper fans might have discovered he was generally considered to be the brains behind Leeds success while he was there with Wise. I think you'll find he's far higher rated inside the game than either Pardew or Kinnear these days. Leeds who got relegated under Wise, is this? Wasn't that after Poyet left? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 In my mind there is no question he is tactically better than Pardew. I'm not convinced he's a PDC style c*** either though. That seems to be what we are basing our criticisms on. But the Brighton forums seem to view him quite positively, and in the two games against us, his teams seemed far more motivated than ours did under Pardew. Devils advocate but aren't the minnows always likely to be 'more up for it'? As I said earlier, Brighton could string passes together which was enough to impress me but Sunderland could appoint literally anyone (say Paolo Di Canio for example) and some will instantly be doom and gloom claiming he is a good manager/have a feeling he will be a success based on very little. I can't speak for anyone else, but I created a thread about Poyet after last season's cup defeat based purely on the qualities I saw in his side. Most of the objections in that thread were based on him being a c*** due to scoring goals against us and being associated with Dennis Wise. If you dug a little deeper fans might have discovered he was generally considered to be the brains behind Leeds success while he was there with Wise. I think you'll find he's far higher rated inside the game than either Pardew or Kinnear these days. Leeds who got relegated under Wise, is this? Wasn't that after Poyet left? Think it might have been. I seem to recall that Leeds fans credited their success under Wise to Poyet and it all went a bit wrong when Poyet left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 In my mind there is no question he is tactically better than Pardew. I'm not convinced he's a PDC style cunt either though. That seems to be what we are basing our criticisms on. But the Brighton forums seem to view him quite positively, and in the two games against us, his teams seemed far more motivated than ours did under Pardew. Devils advocate but aren't the minnows always likely to be 'more up for it'? As I said earlier, Brighton could string passes together which was enough to impress me but Sunderland could appoint literally anyone (say Paolo Di Canio for example) and some will instantly be doom and gloom claiming he is a good manager/have a feeling he will be a success based on very little. I can't speak for anyone else, but I created a thread about Poyet after last season's cup defeat based purely on the qualities I saw in his side. Most of the objections in that thread were based on him being a cunt due to scoring goals against us and being associated with Dennis Wise. If you dug a little deeper fans might have discovered he was generally considered to be the brains behind Leeds success while he was there with Wise. I think you'll find he's far higher rated inside the game than either Pardew or Kinnear these days. Leeds who got relegated under Wise, is this? Wasn't that after Poyet left? Wise and Poyet arrived in October, were relegated in May. They were deducted ten points but wouldn't have had enough to stay up anyway. Poyet left the following October. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Most of my mates support Leeds. They all agree that Poyet was a superb influence there, fwiw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 In my mind there is no question he is tactically better than Pardew. I'm not convinced he's a PDC style cunt either though. That seems to be what we are basing our criticisms on. But the Brighton forums seem to view him quite positively, and in the two games against us, his teams seemed far more motivated than ours did under Pardew. Devils advocate but aren't the minnows always likely to be 'more up for it'? As I said earlier, Brighton could string passes together which was enough to impress me but Sunderland could appoint literally anyone (say Paolo Di Canio for example) and some will instantly be doom and gloom claiming he is a good manager/have a feeling he will be a success based on very little. Doesn't seem to work for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Most of my mates support Leeds. They all agree that Poyet was a superb influence there, fwiw. This explains so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Other than the fact I have a fair few pals in West Yorkshire who support their local side I don't think it explains much at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 From the away tickets thread explaining what clubs are doing with their 200K grant from the PL to help make away travel more affordable. "Sunderland subsidise away tickets at certain fixtures by £10 and have improved the concourse, signage and bar areas for travelling fans. They will also produce 40,000 guidebooks for visiting fans with things to see and do while in the area". Isn't that actually stadium maintenance ? Fucking cheapskates - they'll be using it to help pay off sacked managers and associated hangers on next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 They will also produce 40,000 guidebooks for visiting fans with things to see and do while in the area A small shipment of said guide http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v1/598454885_1/China-Double-A-font-b-A4-b-font-Size-80gsm-office-font-b-copy-b-font.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Where did the idea that if a manager beats anther manager then he must be better come from? Nowhere but what else can his performance be judged on other than comparisons against those in the same competition? So Pardew is better than Furguson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Where did the idea that if a manager beats anther manager then he must be better come from? Nowhere but what else can his performance be judged on other than comparisons against those in the same competition? So Pardew is better than Furguson Sorry, I thought you were talking about "beats" in terms of final league placings (although those comparisons do have their own flaws of course). Talking at cross purposes I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Other than the fact I have a fair few pals in West Yorkshire who support their local side I don't think it explains much at all. Shoot me down, eh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Saw quite a bit of Brighton in the Championship. Thought he would probably do better in the PL than in the Championship. Brighton were very one-paced, if they went behind you couldn't see them winning. But knocked it about well, solid at the back. Spent a pretty penny with Brighton though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Hehe, just reading NUFC.com and their article about the Premier League away fans initiative thing, and it highlights what other clubs are doing ,and saw this... "Mackems subsidise away tickets at certain fixtures by £10 and have improved the concourse, signage and bar areas for travelling fans. They will also produce 40,000 guidebooks for visiting fans with things to see and do while in the area." Page 1 - go to Newcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 See he's already talking about us again... http://tyneandwear.sky.com/sunderland/article/85009/sunderland-bos-gus-poyet-looking-to-extend-winning-record-over Always in their thoughts....he's learnt his target audience well I'll give him that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I wonder how much money Short will give him to bring new faeces into the dressing room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I wonder how much money Short will give him to bring new faeces into the dressing room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I wonder how much money Short will give him to bring new faeces into the dressing room. Not sure, they've wasted a lot already. Think we're talking a Shittu type signing rather than a Kaka one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I can't wait for this gimp to spectacularly fail so we don't have to hear him talking about Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I wonder how much money Short will give him to bring new faeces into the dressing room. Very Good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 It would be brilliant if he did even worse than PDC! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I think Poyet is a decent manager BUT - I don't think Sunderland have good enough players to play keep ball and play out from the back & they probably haven't had since the early 60's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Gusset Toilet. Sniggles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 As average as Poyet may be I still feel pretty envious. I'd like to see how we'd do with a manager who insists on playing possession football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hydeous Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Gus Poo yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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