ED209 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Norwich complain about the ineligible player fiasco and sunderland docked 3 points then go down. A possibility? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Fair play, Poyet has done a fantastic job there. Hopefully our mug has left so we don't gift them 6 points next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammys_Tekkers Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Their recent form has been incredible. Wins at OT and Stamford Bridge, draw at the Eithad. Mental Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baby got back Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 In need of a through gritted teeth smiley. Fair play though, did it the stupidly hard way. This has cost me a few barrels of homebrew too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Norwich complain about the ineligible player fiasco and sunderland docked 3 points then go down. A possibility? Grasping at straws now tbh And I don't even think a 3-point deduction would send them down at this rate, this was basically a throwaway game for them and they got 3 points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisjraby Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Claiming Wes Brown like a new signing today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Brown and O'Shea another year older next season, let's hope they dramatically decline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Grudgingly give them credit, they've done really well to get out of the s****. Yep. No way we could or would have done the same, as we all know. And thats what hurts the most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 They will kick on now, I'm sure of it. To stay up has been some achievement and in the manner in which they have done it too. Fair play to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I was certain they were gone. They had no goals in the team for the longest time. Wickham suddenly turning into Ferenc Puskás was unexpected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 They will kick on now, I'm sure of it. To stay up has been some achievement and in the manner in which they have done it too. Fair play to them. This! Disappointing lol. Another easy 6 points from us next season should see them finish ahead of us! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Have to agree sadly - beating Chelsea and Manure away and nearly beating Citeh when it counts is impressive. Roll on more embarrassing defeats for us next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 In a way I'm glad we can have another crack at these premier league skid marks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I'm not. If Pardew's still here it'll just be another cower 'n' bottle fest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hithere Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Norwich complain about the ineligible player fiasco and sunderland docked 3 points then go down. A possibility? How long is this straw clutching going to go on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Laughable. Yous deserve to stay up, as much as it pains me to say it. Can't believe you got 7 points from those away games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cort Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 The Premier League is facing the possibility of a legal battle with three of their own clubs after it emerged that Cardiff City, Norwich City and Fulham have joined forces and instructed lawyers to fight the controversial decision not to dock Sunderland points for fielding an ineligible player. The Observer can reveal that the first steps have been taken by a self-appointed "Gang of Three" to initiate proceedings about the way Sunderland were let off with a six-figure fine despite fielding Ji Dong-won in four league games, spread over seven weeks, earlier this season. Norwich and Cardiff have enlisted Fulham's support to challenge the league, and a legal letter has been sent on behalf of the three clubs arguing that the offence was serious enough to merit a points deduction. Sunderland's 1-0 win at Manchester United today helped to relegate Fulham and Cardiff, and leaves the north-east club on a brilliant run of form, three points above third-from-bottom Norwich and on the verge of completing what Gus Poyet has described as a "miracle" escape. However, there is now the distinct threat of a legal fight continuing into the summer if Sunderland's remarkable sequence of results – also including a 2-1 win at Chelsea and a 2-2 draw at Manchester City – finishes with them securing their top-flight status. The three clubs taking on the league are demanding a review of the Ji case. If that request is turned down, there is the strong chance that whichever club finishes 18th will sue. League Two side AFC Wimbledon have just been docked three points for fielding an ineligible player and the lawyers for Norwich, Cardiff and Fulham have put together a lengthy list of cases in which other clubs have broken the rules in similar positions and lost points as a result. Their argument is that Sunderland have been treated as an exception, whereas there is a clear history of evidence – going down the leagues – that this offence ought to merit more than a fine. Altrincham are the extreme example, docked 18 points in 2006 after signing a player, James Robinson, from Accrington Stanley without realising he had never received international clearance after a previous spell in Iceland. In the vast majority of cases, the punishment has been a three-point deduction. Demanding an explanation about why the authorities tried to keep the Sunderland case quiet, the legal letter argues that it is unjust that another club might be relegated because of the leniency shown to Poyet's team, and highlights the vast sums of money that would be forfeited by a club dropping into the Championship. The lawyers also note that Poyet has admitted being surprised the punishment was not heavier, and that Sunderland's manager has stated publicly that Southampton should have been awarded the victory when Ji played in the 1-1 draw at St Mary's in August. Ji played in three other league fixtures – against Fulham, Crystal Palace and Manchester United. Sunderland lost all of them, which was one of the factors in the league's decision-making, along with the fact that the club had reported their own mistake at the first opportunity. Ji needed international clearance because he had been on loan at Augsburg. Liz Coley, Sunderland's secretary, left her position shortly after the error came to light. Rule 6.9 in the Football Association's relevant statutes states that "any club found to have played an ineligible player in a match shall have any points gained from that match deducted from its record". It adds that "the board … may also levy penalty points against the club in default". However, the league believes it has a watertight case because of the wording of the rules. On 4 April, Poyet said: "I'm not saying we should have been docked points, but I would understand if we had. It's incredible. The rules should be clear. It should be one rule. The words 'may' or 'might' in the rules in England, they are unbelievable. They give you a chance to do whatever you like. It shouldn't be may or might. It should be the rule. Yes or no. Then there is no grey area." Ji also featured in Sunderland's 4-2 win over Milton Keynes Dons in the second round of the Capital One Cup. The case was not heard until Sunderland had reached the semi-finals and the Football League opted against removing them from the competition. Instead, Sunderland received a second fine and agreed to keep the matter on a need-to-know basis, only for the story to be leaked to a national newspaper last month. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/03/sunderland-face-legal-fight-points-deduction?CMP=twt_gu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Unfortunately for them (and us), the mackems are in form and will probably end up comfortably safe even with a deduction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 The Premier League is facing the possibility of a legal battle with three of their own clubs after it emerged that Cardiff City, Norwich City and Fulham have joined forces and instructed lawyers to fight the controversial decision not to dock Sunderland points for fielding an ineligible player. The Observer can reveal that the first steps have been taken by a self-appointed "Gang of Three" to initiate proceedings about the way Sunderland were let off with a six-figure fine despite fielding Ji Dong-won in four league games, spread over seven weeks, earlier this season. Norwich and Cardiff have enlisted Fulham's support to challenge the league, and a legal letter has been sent on behalf of the three clubs arguing that the offence was serious enough to merit a points deduction. Sunderland's 1-0 win at Manchester United today helped to relegate Fulham and Cardiff, and leaves the north-east club on a brilliant run of form, three points above third-from-bottom Norwich and on the verge of completing what Gus Poyet has described as a "miracle" escape. However, there is now the distinct threat of a legal fight continuing into the summer if Sunderland's remarkable sequence of results – also including a 2-1 win at Chelsea and a 2-2 draw at Manchester City – finishes with them securing their top-flight status. The three clubs taking on the league are demanding a review of the Ji case. If that request is turned down, there is the strong chance that whichever club finishes 18th will sue. League Two side AFC Wimbledon have just been docked three points for fielding an ineligible player and the lawyers for Norwich, Cardiff and Fulham have put together a lengthy list of cases in which other clubs have broken the rules in similar positions and lost points as a result. Their argument is that Sunderland have been treated as an exception, whereas there is a clear history of evidence – going down the leagues – that this offence ought to merit more than a fine. Altrincham are the extreme example, docked 18 points in 2006 after signing a player, James Robinson, from Accrington Stanley without realising he had never received international clearance after a previous spell in Iceland. In the vast majority of cases, the punishment has been a three-point deduction. Demanding an explanation about why the authorities tried to keep the Sunderland case quiet, the legal letter argues that it is unjust that another club might be relegated because of the leniency shown to Poyet's team, and highlights the vast sums of money that would be forfeited by a club dropping into the Championship. The lawyers also note that Poyet has admitted being surprised the punishment was not heavier, and that Sunderland's manager has stated publicly that Southampton should have been awarded the victory when Ji played in the 1-1 draw at St Mary's in August. Ji played in three other league fixtures – against Fulham, Crystal Palace and Manchester United. Sunderland lost all of them, which was one of the factors in the league's decision-making, along with the fact that the club had reported their own mistake at the first opportunity. Ji needed international clearance because he had been on loan at Augsburg. Liz Coley, Sunderland's secretary, left her position shortly after the error came to light. Rule 6.9 in the Football Association's relevant statutes states that "any club found to have played an ineligible player in a match shall have any points gained from that match deducted from its record". It adds that "the board … may also levy penalty points against the club in default". However, the league believes it has a watertight case because of the wording of the rules. On 4 April, Poyet said: "I'm not saying we should have been docked points, but I would understand if we had. It's incredible. The rules should be clear. It should be one rule. The words 'may' or 'might' in the rules in England, they are unbelievable. They give you a chance to do whatever you like. It shouldn't be may or might. It should be the rule. Yes or no. Then there is no grey area." Ji also featured in Sunderland's 4-2 win over Milton Keynes Dons in the second round of the Capital One Cup. The case was not heard until Sunderland had reached the semi-finals and the Football League opted against removing them from the competition. Instead, Sunderland received a second fine and agreed to keep the matter on a need-to-know basis, only for the story to be leaked to a national newspaper last month. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/03/sunderland-face-legal-fight-points-deduction?CMP=twt_gu well that was inevitable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Hope it's the society of black lawyers they've hired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest neesy111 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Hope it's the society of black lawyers they've hired. Just had a giggle for 30 seconds remembering them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I have no doubts they will take the points off us next season, that being said we will still finish above them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I have no doubts they will take the points off us next season, that being said we will still finish above them. Will probably mean we are being relegated with them imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I have no doubts they will take the points off us next season, that being said we will still finish above them. No we won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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