r0cafella Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 So does the fact we haven't strengthened the left hand side this summer mean Jonas is the first name on the team sheet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you; If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or, being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise Ladies and gentlemen, Newcastle United will be playing 5-4-fucking-1. Sooner have ol' Bassett than the twat we have tbh. Or even Bertie Masson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Considering we're away to one of the title favourites, I don't actually mind if Jonas starts tomorrow. His defensive contribution is important in fixtures like this, and he has had a relatively good pre-season. If he's still in the team the week after when we play West Ham at home however... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Considering we're away to one of the title favourites, I don't actually mind if Jonas starts tomorrow. His defensive contribution is important in fixtures like this, and he has had a relatively good pre-season. If he's still in the team the week after when we play West Ham at home however... That's the type of selection you'd make if you were only trying to lose 3-0. Sure, he'll cover the fullback all game, but his total lack of footballing ability and willingness to provide proper offensive support will only invite huge amounts of pressure - and I don't want us to be defending more than we have to against Man City. Plus, it'll make it much harder for us to create anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 How many do we need to go top? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 How many do we need to go top? 4 without reply would do the job so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Considering we're away to one of the title favourites, I don't actually mind if Jonas starts tomorrow. His defensive contribution is important in fixtures like this, and he has had a relatively good pre-season. If he's still in the team the week after when we play West Ham at home however... That's the type of selection you'd make if you were only trying to lose 3-0. Sure, he'll cover the fullback all game, but his total lack of footballing ability and willingness to provide proper offensive support will only invite huge amounts of pressure - and I don't want us to be defending more than we have to against Man City. Plus, it'll make it much harder for us to create anything. Not for me. It's the type of selection I would make if I was expecting a though match but fancied my chances to get something from if we keep things tight defensively. It would mean putting energy and determination before football ability. There's a place for that in football, and I think this is it. Besides, I think Jonas releases pressure better than somebody like Marveaux, who I would just expect to go missing in a game like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I'd rather lose 3-0 having a go than 4-0 being ultra defensive like last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I'd rather lose 3-0 having a go than 4-0 being ultra defensive like last season. Wat? Everybody would rather lose 3-0 playing well than 4-0 playing badly. The point is I'd rather draw 1-1 playing defensively than lose 3-0 getting picked off trying to match Man City at their own game.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I'd rather lose 3-0 having a go than 4-0 being ultra defensive like last season. Wat? Everybody would rather lose 3-0 playing well than 4-0 playing badly. The point is I'd rather draw 1-1 playing defensively than lose 3-0 getting picked off trying to match Man City at their own game.. I dont mean i want us to lose at all, i meant, say we played like last season and give the result up, i'd rather we lost having a go than being ultra defensive. At least give it a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I'd rather lose 3-0 having a go than 4-0 being ultra defensive like last season. Thought we were doing alright myself but then two goals right before half time killed us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 playing for a draw is fine if you get a draw. If you lose after setting out for a point it makes for an incredibly frustrating watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Fingers crossed we can perform like we did against Man U away last year and actually have a go at them, unfortunatly right now I'd settle for just getting out of our own half every so often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Considering we're away to one of the title favourites, I don't actually mind if Jonas starts tomorrow. His defensive contribution is important in fixtures like this, and he has had a relatively good pre-season. If he's still in the team the week after when we play West Ham at home however... I do, it makes little sense if you consider pardew will start with at least one holding midfielder. I think whenever Jonas plays we look unbalanced Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I'd rather lose 3-0 having a go than 4-0 being ultra defensive like last season. We'd probably end up losing 5-0 if we go too adventurous with this team. To go at them we need goalscorers in the team. We've got Cisse, and maybe Sissoko. In an open game they've got cannons and we've got squirty pistols. I think we need Remy or Gomis in the side before we go too gung ho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Considering we're away to one of the title favourites, I don't actually mind if Jonas starts tomorrow. His defensive contribution is important in fixtures like this, and he has had a relatively good pre-season. If he's still in the team the week after when we play West Ham at home however... That's the type of selection you'd make if you were only trying to lose 3-0. Sure, he'll cover the fullback all game, but his total lack of footballing ability and willingness to provide proper offensive support will only invite huge amounts of pressure - and I don't want us to be defending more than we have to against Man City. Plus, it'll make it much harder for us to create anything. Not for me. It's the type of selection I would make if I was expecting a though match but fancied my chances to get something from if we keep things tight defensively. It would mean putting energy and determination before football ability. There's a place for that in football, and I think this is it. Besides, I think Jonas releases pressure better than somebody like Marveaux, who I would just expect to go missing in a game like this. It's not like not picking Jonas massively compromises our ability to defend. And Marveaux's an infinitely better footballer who would help us retain possession higher up the pitch and create more chances. Surely that's a more effective way to release pressure than picking someone who will just cover the fullback all game, whether or not you think he'll 'go missing' aside? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 if we're defensive we'll get dicked even more heavily than if we were to have a go. We'll be inviting pressure onto ourselves, 2 or 3 will go in, heads will drop and it'll turn into a rout. In the non-existent world whereby Pardew would tell us to go out and try and cause them a problem or two, they would actually have to work for a result. However in the real world, where football is seemingly all about damage limitation, Man City will get the 3 points without getting out of second gear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 .....we should be able to put out a pretty decent side easily capable of competing in midfield, provided we don't just sit back and concede possession. Which is of course exactly what we'll do I'd rather lose 3-0 having a go than 4-0 being ultra defensive like last season. We'll get the same zero points whatever we do unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Our two best performances against City in recent years were both when we had a go at them. I think in normal circumstances we'd have beaten them in the 5th place season but they were invincible that day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I'd rather lose 3-0 having a go than 4-0 being ultra defensive like last season. Thought we were doing alright myself but then two goals right before half time killed us. Aye but we didn't threaten them much, it was about keeping them out, i just want us to worry them rather than just hope to nick something and hang on. And i dont mean go too attacking, we can attack without being reckless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 The best way to beat any big team is to put them under pressure and attack them. Its proven time and time again that whether its City, Chelsea, Man Yoo or anyone else they don't like it. Putting players like Jonas and Tiote who can't hurt them in anyway imaginable is suicide and asking for a heavy defeat. Which is why I never understood the notion about preferring Jonas and Tiote to Anita or Marveaux even in big games. At least the latter can keep the ball from them and force them backwards all Jonas and Tiote do is delay the inevitable for about 10 mins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Considering we're away to one of the title favourites, I don't actually mind if Jonas starts tomorrow. His defensive contribution is important in fixtures like this, and he has had a relatively good pre-season. If he's still in the team the week after when we play West Ham at home however... That's the type of selection you'd make if you were only trying to lose 3-0. Sure, he'll cover the fullback all game, but his total lack of footballing ability and willingness to provide proper offensive support will only invite huge amounts of pressure - and I don't want us to be defending more than we have to against Man City. Plus, it'll make it much harder for us to create anything. Not for me. It's the type of selection I would make if I was expecting a though match but fancied my chances to get something from if we keep things tight defensively. It would mean putting energy and determination before football ability. There's a place for that in football, and I think this is it. Besides, I think Jonas releases pressure better than somebody like Marveaux, who I would just expect to go missing in a game like this. It's not like not picking Jonas massively compromises our ability to defend. And Marveaux's an infinitely better footballer who would help us retain possession higher up the pitch and create more chances. Surely that's a more effective way to release pressure than picking someone who will just cover the fullback all game, whether or not you think he'll 'go missing' aside? Forgot about Marveaux, he's definitely capable of a goal. If he's fit then he's got to be worth a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Considering we're away to one of the title favourites, I don't actually mind if Jonas starts tomorrow. His defensive contribution is important in fixtures like this, and he has had a relatively good pre-season. If he's still in the team the week after when we play West Ham at home however... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 One more day to go and do you know what, I'm excited. New season, fresh start [/optimism] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I expect nothing from this game so will look more to who and how we play for a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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