Chicken Dancer Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Everton have just chucked money at it without a real plan. They've hired 2 DOF to my knowledge - Walsh from Leicester & Brands? It's still not worked, signing 3 CAMs one window alongside players who would be perceived risky was always a recipe for disaster. I think if you want to be successful you need longevity and a clear plan. You may have a season or two where expectations aren't met, but unless it gets really bad, I'm all for sticking to a specific manager/coach for a prolonged who is on the same page as the appointed DOF with a clear plan in place. Even if you change manager, as long as your plan/project/ethos fits with a new manager, then eventually you will see the rewards. See Man City - they were successful under Mancini & Pellegrini, but they've went up about 5 gears since they've had Guardiola. Leicester too - when they've had bad seasons where they've changed manager, but the plan is generally adhered to with a new man in charge. Like someone above touched on, there's a lot our owners can learn, specifically from Everton. To be fair, the players we have been (strongly) linked with seem to be targeting areas we desperately need improvement in, which I think is very encouraging, despite no DOF or proper structure in place yet. PS Fuck Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ManDoon said: What other gauge do you have to make an opinion? I can only go off the interactions I’ve seen/had. They aren’t going into administration, simply protesting the fact they are gash, if there is no schadenfreude in football it’s going to get pretty dull pretty quickly. I support their right to protest but also my own right to laugh at them and find it funny. Don’t always have to take the high road on every single topic. There is no serious threat to their club long term, they might go down, as we did. I’m not washing energy defending people who don’t like us, what’s the point. They’ll be fine, maybe a dose of bad times will Open up their perspectives a bit. We have the guage of thinking 'if the media and these other fans think this about our fanbase and I know it's not representative maybe the same isn't representative of other fanbases too' - along with knowing fans of other clubs who are just like we are and love the game. I scoff at you saying it's 'taking the high road on every single topic' as well. It's hardly taking the high road or a secret to point to one of the reasons football's being ruined while we're all busy laughing at each others fans. There's schadenfreude and tribalism and taking the piss and then there's not caring about a club or clubs going into administration or wasting hundreds of millions. That's exactly what I'm saying about how fans are all 'lol fuck you' not realising or caring that every club's potentially going to be in the same position, including those at the top when the infinite growth model hits a brick wall. Edited January 27, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 3 hours ago, joeyt said: So Everton fans should just suck it up and not protest because he's spent money despite their club being a laughing stock? Man Utd fans protest and the Glazers have spent money, are they wrong to do that? It would be like Bury fans saying we shouldn't have protested against Ashley The Glazers are taking money out of Man U, not ploughing it in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, TRon said: The Glazers are taking money out of Man U, not ploughing it in. They've spent a fortune on players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 3 hours ago, joeyt said: So Everton fans should just suck it up and not protest because he's spent money despite their club being a laughing stock? Man Utd fans protest and the Glazers have spent money, are they wrong to do that? It would be like Bury fans saying we shouldn't have protested against Ashley Man Utd fans are/were protesting on how the club was bought. Any other angle and they lose credibility because Man Utd have spent as big as anyone without a cohesive strategy like Man City Liverpool and Chelsea. Also the football landscape has changed a lot so the fans protesting are struggling to come to terms with a lack of constant success. The fact that post Ferguson they’ve still won major trophies and had ECL qualification shows they’ve been spoilt as that’s an acceptable level of success for any sensible thinking fan. It’s perfectly reasonable for another fan base to point that out to them. Have very little sympathy for the Everton fans plight. If they’d got behind Rafa they would’ve been fine within a couple of seasons and in a lovely new stadium. A lot of their issues stem from Liverpool having another successful period in their history but that doesn’t take away from the fact their owner is chucking his own money at trying to make them the best they can be. Your Bury comment makes no sense at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, ManDoon said: I mean Everton aren’t being put it admin, they might go down (unlikely) and if they do it’s highly likely they will get promoted, and If they don’t I mean that’s football, teams so get relegated. It is taking the high road, having a laugh at their expense for some well timed hubris is not the end of the world. It’s not that deep. I’m specifically talking about them because they demonstrably made it clear what they thought about our protesting. The media haven’t given me any observations about Everton, just my own. It’s not like their owner has been leeching from the club either. I’m not going to feel bad about finding it funny on some basis that all of football needs solidarity. I simply don’t agree. The Sunderland thing was mostly tongue in cheek, but if they were to go into admin I can’t say I’d lose any sleep over it. If that makes me a bad person, I can live with it. Their deranged online ramblings are enough for me to not feel any guilt. It's not about you being a good or bad person and it's not about all of the things you've brought up as an aside from what I'm saying. It's a widespread problem of fanbases complaining about misrepresentation then doing exactly the same to every single other fans base, all while football on the whole's being ruined because of these things we're laughing about and waving away until it's us. That's not taking the high road, football being ruined is something that's been pointed out countless times by our fans and fans across the world. We can see the problem happening in front of us and we're experts on the problem when it's our own club, but when it happens to other clubs we're wilfully ignorant and think it's funny. I just think it's mad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 My arguement is purely levelled at the press and pundits. The lies and bullshit they perpetuate which feeds this "hurr hurr you're deluded, mike Ashley spent billions" is fucking criminal. But I'm not seeing this for Everton. All seems very cosey reporting outside goodison with their guitars and campfires. Maybe I'm just reading/seeing stuff that backs up my view like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Everton did win the old Cup Winners Cup in 1985. As Leffe says, they may have kicked on in the old European Cup when champions but were denied the chance by Heysel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 48 minutes ago, joeyt said: They've spent a fortune on players Man U have spent a fortune on players, the Glazers are taking money out through dividends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 23 minutes ago, ManDoon said: I just like having a laugh at them and don’t see it any deeper than that honestly, they will be totally fine. I enjoy teams I don’t like doing badly. It’s enjoyable to me. I think it’s fine they are protesting and im glad that they have finally jumped off their high horse Think there's a lot of hyperbole about the Everton situation too, they're basically just on a bad run of form. They had Ancelotti and one of the best starting 11s in the league last season, I don't see that as the owners ruining the club and the sport, like Not going to lie I'd not stop laughing for a week if they go down. Football is about petty hatreds and rivalries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I liked Everton under Moyes. Now, I'd like to see them go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 34 minutes ago, Jaqen said: Not going to lie I'd not stop laughing for a week if they go down. Football is about petty hatreds and rivalries. Absolutely this… 2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: 'First they came for Leeds and I did nothing, because I don't like Leeds' You could say the same about here, or RTG, or any forum. OTT Tribalism's killing any fan solidarity, in the same way it's happening in wider society. Clubs being ruined left right and centre, with fans of other clubs going 'lol, fuck you' either not realising or not caring that they're on the same menu. …and also this. But it’s not the tribalism itself that’s killing football. The tribalism IS football. It’s the lack of parity, gulf between top and bottom, and disconnect from the community. We used to have OTT tribalism to the point where we were having pitched battles and organized rumbles. Now we piss and moan on the internet. I’m not convinced that the percentage of people that want their rivals to just not exist is any different than it was. It’s just all broken. A couple of weeks ago I heard people on here talking about how they kinda liked West Ham right now. The club that basically got given a stadium on the taxpayers’ dollar, and in the process broke league rules and nearly obliterated Leyton Orient. Fuck them forever. Growing up a football fan in London is instructive. We were mainly Spurs and Arsenal (and fucking Liverpool) in North London. I used to play footy on Stepney Green with loads of West Ham fans. At a certain level, the solidarity between grassroots fans will always be there, along with the tribalism. I will always remember dancing with and hugging an Arsenal fan at work when Campbell scored that (disallowed) goal against Argentina. Both the tribalism and the solidarity are there from day one. Dunno if I can boil it down to a point. I guess that every team has at least two identities. The club itself, and the fans. They just seem to be further and further apart than ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, LFEE said: The fact that post Ferguson they’ve still won major trophies and had ECL qualification shows they’ve been spoilt as that’s an acceptable level of success for any sensible thinking fan. It’s perfectly reasonable for another fan base to point that out to them. From my experience it has been opposition fans saying our performances have been unacceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr Jinx Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 35 minutes ago, leffe186 said: Absolutely this… …and also this. But it’s not the tribalism itself that’s killing football. The tribalism IS football. It’s the lack of parity, gulf between top and bottom, and disconnect from the community. We used to have OTT tribalism to the point where we were having pitched battles and organized rumbles. Now we piss and moan on the internet. I’m not convinced that the percentage of people that want their rivals to just not exist is any different than it was. It’s just all broken. A couple of weeks ago I heard people on here talking about how they kinda liked West Ham right now. The club that basically got given a stadium on the taxpayers’ dollar, and in the process broke league rules and nearly obliterated Leyton Orient. Fuck them forever. Growing up a football fan in London is instructive. We were mainly Spurs and Arsenal (and fucking Liverpool) in North London. I used to play footy on Stepney Green with loads of West Ham fans. At a certain level, the solidarity between grassroots fans will always be there, along with the tribalism. I will always remember dancing with and hugging an Arsenal fan at work when Campbell scored that (disallowed) goal against Argentina. Both the tribalism and the solidarity are there from day one. Dunno if I can boil it down to a point. I guess that every team has at least two identities. The club itself, and the fans. They just seem to be further and further apart than ever. There has always been a gulf between the top teams and the rest, what i think is worse now is that the corruption between the associations running football to keep the status quo. It's repugnant. And out in the open at this point in time, nobody seems to care, least not the clubs in or around us, they seem happy to play second fiddle and let the bigger clubs set rules which prevent them from ever being more than what they are. If we manage to stay up, this league will never be the same. Man Utd will have to be content feeding off the scraps of us, Man City and Chelsea. If they miss out on the CL this season they'll be dipping into their overall revenue, that can't last forever. And more importantly, they won't be able to call the shots for much longer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Love Shota Arveladze going to Hull. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Shouldn't the R in "'Round" be lower case...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I reckon Spurs could be looking for a new manager next week if they keep losing out on players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest HTT II Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Just now, WarrenBartonCentrePartin said: Good on him, he’d be mad to go to Goodson and take that job on. I’m liking Rooney the none player, I liked him as a player of course in terms of rating his game, but not as a person. I hope he proves himself to be a good young coach as our game needs more and more from these shores. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Have to say I never thought Wayne Rooney would be a good manager. The jury is still out, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pilko Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I hope Lampard takes them down, would be glorious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Chuffed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Fuck me what is going on in the world when Wayne Rooney becomes likeable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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