Cajun Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I can understand people not liking Ben Arfa as much as I do; I'll always have my favourites and I'll admit I can go to lengths to defend them. But the treatment, on the whole, of the bloke is beyond argument. It's a complete joke. Aye he missed a sitter at Norwich but was the best player on the park by some distance. Then the Mackems happened (again), where everyone was terrible, including him. At least from what I saw of it. He's always at the top of the list when it comes to there being a reactionary 'things must change' drop. It's ridiculous. It's pointless him being here, like. I really wonder what he thinks of his time here, deep down. I wonder how much he regrets it. Embarrassing. Agree with most of this and have said many times Pardew seemed to get the best out of him then decided to fuck about with it so the blame lies with him. I do have concerns about Ben Arfa's temperament though. He's 27 and hasn't to my knowledge been at a club where there haven't been problems and he has fallen out with the manager. Even that Clairefontaine documentary thing had him kicking off. He seems a little precious/needy/will perform when he wants to rather than having the will to perform every game. He is obviously a special talent but I can't help but feel he is a bit Anelka like in his belief of his own importance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I can understand people not liking Ben Arfa as much as I do; I'll always have my favourites and I'll admit I can go to lengths to defend them. But the treatment, on the whole, of the bloke is beyond argument. It's a complete joke. Aye he missed a sitter at Norwich but was the best player on the park by some distance. Then the Mackems happened (again), where everyone was terrible, including him. At least from what I saw of it. He's always at the top of the list when it comes to there being a reactionary 'things must change' drop. It's ridiculous. It's pointless him being here, like. I really wonder what he thinks of his time here, deep down. I wonder how much he regrets it. Embarrassing. Agree with most of this and have said many times Pardew seemed to get the best out of him then decided to fuck about with it so the blame lies with him. I do have concerns about Ben Arfa's temperament though. He's 27 and hasn't to my knowledge been at a club where there haven't been problems and he has fallen out with the manager. Even that Clairefontaine documentary thing had him kicking off. He seems a little precious/needy/will perform when he wants to rather than having the will to perform every game. He is obviously a special talent but I can't help but feel he is a bit Anelka like in his belief of his own importance. The same Anelka who's scored well over 100 Premier League goals, aye? Special talent + temperamental bastards are fucking everywhere and have been since the dawn of the game. Some work under decent managers and have successful careers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Pardew talking about signings, fuck off dear oh dear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I can understand people not liking Ben Arfa as much as I do; I'll always have my favourites and I'll admit I can go to lengths to defend them. But the treatment, on the whole, of the bloke is beyond argument. It's a complete joke. Aye he missed a sitter at Norwich but was the best player on the park by some distance. Then the Mackems happened (again), where everyone was terrible, including him. At least from what I saw of it. He's always at the top of the list when it comes to there being a reactionary 'things must change' drop. It's ridiculous. It's pointless him being here, like. I really wonder what he thinks of his time here, deep down. I wonder how much he regrets it. Embarrassing. Agree with most of this and have said many times Pardew seemed to get the best out of him then decided to fuck about with it so the blame lies with him. I do have concerns about Ben Arfa's temperament though. He's 27 and hasn't to my knowledge been at a club where there haven't been problems and he has fallen out with the manager. Even that Clairefontaine documentary thing had him kicking off. He seems a little precious/needy/will perform when he wants to rather than having the will to perform every game. He is obviously a special talent but I can't help but feel he is a bit Anelka like in his belief of his own importance. The same Anelka who's scored well over 100 Premier League goals, aye? Special talent + temperamental bastards are fucking everywhere and have been since the dawn of the game. Some work under decent managers and have successful careers. No doubting Anelka's talent, it still hurts we didn't push the boat out rather than get Owen but as with Ben Arfa, Anelka could have had a much better career if he and his agents (brothers iirc) didn't start being silly, he signed for Bolton fucking Wanderers when he should have been in his prime ffs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I'm pretty much on the same page Yorkie tbh, I love Ben Arfa and if what Douglas is saying is correct and Pardew didn't fancy him from the off, it's just and indictment of how much of a f***ing moron he is @MsiDouglas: Yeah, I tend to think that. Pardew been sceptical from day 1 IMO" In a convo about HBA on twitter. f***ing riles me hearing s*** like this, really does Getting HBA signed up to a permanent contract was supposedly one of the first things Pardew did when he became manager. Strange thing to do if he had doubts about him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Mercurial talents are what make football great, man. Some do themselves a favour (Zlatan), some don't and end up at clubs well below the level they should be at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Mercurial talents are what make football great, man. Some do themselves a favour (Zlatan), some don't and end up at clubs well below the level they should be at. Like HBA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I'm pretty much on the same page Yorkie tbh, I love Ben Arfa and if what Douglas is saying is correct and Pardew didn't fancy him from the off, it's just and indictment of how much of a f***ing moron he is @MsiDouglas: Yeah, I tend to think that. Pardew been sceptical from day 1 IMO" In a convo about HBA on twitter. f***ing riles me hearing s*** like this, really does Getting HBA signed up to a permanent contract was supposedly one of the first things Pardew did when he became manager. Strange thing to do if he had doubts about him. He probably thought his "bit of magic" would be enough to mask the fact that he hasn't got a clue how to use a player like him. It probably would be if he'd let him have a decent run in the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 The audacity of the man to write off players with genuine talent, he can't coach genuinely quality players ffs. HBA has issues development wise but I'd hedge my bets he'd be doing better under someone who can actually coach and develop players. Just the same old same old with this bafoon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Probably my favourite player, yeah he strikes me as a bit precious, however a good manager would understand this and treat the player with the confidence he needs. Bashing him in the papers every time you need to take the heat off yourself is doing no one any favours. Wasting a talent that could easily make his job a lot easier and devaluing him as an asset to the club. Clueless bastard, but I've come to expect nothing less from Alan Fuckwitt Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Selling the problem on rather than doing his job and managing it. We've been here before and ended up a weaker team as a result. Same thing's going to happen when Ben Arfa inevitably moves and plays for a proper manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 This chump needs hounding out, his ego couldn't take it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Mercurial talents are what make football great, man. Some do themselves a favour (Zlatan), some don't and end up at clubs well below the level they should be at. But football is about entertainment, especially when you support a mid table team with no chance of winning the league, and I would rather watch HBA play 1 good game in 5 than watch Gouffran or somebody like that who will work hard and score the ood goal. And the reason why is that I know that if I see Ben Arfa play on a good day or even if he does one outstanding thing in a game, that I'll remember that performance or thing and still be talking about it in 5 years time, while if Gouffran scores a goal tomorrow, I will have forgotten about it in a few weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Mercurial talents are what make football great, man. Some do themselves a favour (Zlatan), some don't and end up at clubs well below the level they should be at. But football is about entertainment, especially when you support a mid table team with no chance of winning the league, and I would rather watch HBA play 1 good game in 5 than watch Gouffran or somebody like that who will work hard and score the ood goal. And the reason why is that I know that if I see Ben Arfa play on a good day or even if he does one outstanding thing in a game, that I'll remember that performance or thing and still be talking about it in 5 years time, while if Gouffran scores a goal tomorrow, I will have forgotten about it in a few weeks. Ignoring the Gouffran stuff because I love him (plus I think he is playing out of position) I agree. I would start Ben Arfa every game without doubt. It isn't his quality I doubt, I just think he has a long history of being quite a difficult character and isn't quite as good as some believe. I suppose we will see how others in the game rate him by where he ends up. If others rated him as highly as some Newcastle fans I reckon he would have already moved on. Just can't help but feel he is doing himself an injustice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Mercurial talents are what make football great, man. Some do themselves a favour (Zlatan), some don't and end up at clubs well below the level they should be at. But football is about entertainment, especially when you support a mid table team with no chance of winning the league, and I would rather watch HBA play 1 good game in 5 than watch Gouffran or somebody like that who will work hard and score the ood goal. And the reason why is that I know that if I see Ben Arfa play on a good day or even if he does one outstanding thing in a game, that I'll remember that performance or thing and still be talking about it in 5 years time, while if Gouffran scores a goal tomorrow, I will have forgotten about it in a few weeks. he's one of those players that gets you off your seat, makes you shout yourself horse with some amazing skill, those things don't happen enough for us, there's only Remy these days and Cisse in that first half season he played that really got me going in a match. Hate these grinding down games with a passion, I don't want to watch an Allardyce Bolton, a Pulis relegation battling team or the like, I want to see a swashbuckling Keegan team or a Sir Bobby attacking with flair team, even Hughton's Championship winning side was more enjoyable to watch than this turgid shite we are dished every week. Just sick of his shit and the problems with Ben Arfa just personify everything that is wrong with the current setup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 I'm pretty much on the same page Yorkie tbh, I love Ben Arfa and if what Douglas is saying is correct and Pardew didn't fancy him from the off, it's just and indictment of how much of a f***ing moron he is @MsiDouglas: Yeah, I tend to think that. Pardew been sceptical from day 1 IMO" In a convo about HBA on twitter. f***ing riles me hearing s*** like this, really does Getting HBA signed up to a permanent contract was supposedly one of the first things Pardew did when he became manager. Strange thing to do if he had doubts about him. He probably thought his "bit of magic" would be enough to mask the fact that he hasn't got a clue how to use a player like him. It probably would be if he'd let him have a decent run in the side. Or he could have made his mind up two years ago and ditched him then. But then I guess Obertan didn't work out as well as he'd hoped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Ignoring the Gouffran stuff because I love him (plus I think he is playing out of position) I agree. I would start Ben Arfa every game without doubt. It isn't his quality I doubt, I just think he has a long history of being quite a difficult character and isn't quite as good as some believe. I suppose we will see how others in the game rate him by where he ends up. If others rated him as highly as some Newcastle fans I reckon he would have already moved on. Just can't help but feel he is doing himself an injustice. Pardew is doing a shite job with Ben Arfa, other clubs showing an interest in him or not doesn't change that. Ben Arfa isn't doing himself justice and he never will if he's not playing games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Alan Snakedew His initials are ASP funnily enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Chibas Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Souness always had similar misgivings towards Robert, just not a natural grafter. Souness also tried to mould a young David Dunn into such a player. Used to blab on about Dunn not doing this & that (defensively). I recall Dunn killing us at Ewood, with a masterful play makers performance, and Souness picked on him re: tricks & impromptu flicks. He killed Dunn at Blackburn, demovitated him. Similar scenario has played out here imo, re: Pardoo & Ben Arfa Pardoo is cut from the same cloth. It's a crime against football when cretins like these guys are allowed anywhere mercurial talents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Alan Snakedew His initials are ASP funnily enough Wonder what the S stands for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Ignoring the Gouffran stuff because I love him (plus I think he is playing out of position) I agree. I would start Ben Arfa every game without doubt. It isn't his quality I doubt, I just think he has a long history of being quite a difficult character and isn't quite as good as some believe. I suppose we will see how others in the game rate him by where he ends up. If others rated him as highly as some Newcastle fans I reckon he would have already moved on. Just can't help but feel he is doing himself an injustice. Pardew is doing a shite job with Ben Arfa, other clubs showing an interest in him or not doesn't change that. Ben Arfa isn't doing himself justice and he never will if he's not playing games. I completely agree. I actually think it is worse than the Souness vs Robert/Bellamy stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Goodbye flair, excitement & unpredictability; it was nice knowing yee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Ignoring the Gouffran stuff because I love him (plus I think he is playing out of position) I agree. I would start Ben Arfa every game without doubt. It isn't his quality I doubt, I just think he has a long history of being quite a difficult character and isn't quite as good as some believe. I suppose we will see how others in the game rate him by where he ends up. If others rated him as highly as some Newcastle fans I reckon he would have already moved on. Just can't help but feel he is doing himself an injustice. Pardew is doing a shite job with Ben Arfa, other clubs showing an interest in him or not doesn't change that. Ben Arfa isn't doing himself justice and he never will if he's not playing games. I completely agree. I actually think it is worse than the Souness vs Robert/Bellamy stuff. Steady on, man, they were two players with a track record of turning mediocrity into Champions League finishes all by themselves, and they left the club for a combined £6m - the stuff of complete and utter madness. Bellamy was our best player and top PL scorer by far when he was frozen out. Robert had just had the season of his life when it happened to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Ignoring the Gouffran stuff because I love him (plus I think he is playing out of position) I agree. I would start Ben Arfa every game without doubt. It isn't his quality I doubt, I just think he has a long history of being quite a difficult character and isn't quite as good as some believe. I suppose we will see how others in the game rate him by where he ends up. If others rated him as highly as some Newcastle fans I reckon he would have already moved on. Just can't help but feel he is doing himself an injustice. Pardew is doing a shite job with Ben Arfa, other clubs showing an interest in him or not doesn't change that. Ben Arfa isn't doing himself justice and he never will if he's not playing games. I completely agree. I actually think it is worse than the Souness vs Robert/Bellamy stuff. Steady on, man, they were two players with a track record of turning mediocrity into Champions League finishes all by themselves, and they left the club for a combined £6m - the stuff of complete and utter madness. Bellamy was our best player and top PL scorer by far when he was frozen out. Robert had just had the season of his life when it happened to him. Great players no doubt but utter bollocks to suggest they transformed the mediocrity into the Champions league by themselves. You do yourself no favours sometimes. Or actually maybe you do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Which other signings did we make to go from 11th to 4th? I'm not saying they're solely responsible for the finish, but they are solely responsible for the improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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