Kaizero Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 Personally I've always felt that when it comes to international football, it intuitively doesn't make sense to hire a manager with the same nationality as the team they'll manage. Can't be arsed trying to explain in detail why I believe that, but in essence I guess it boils down to wanting the guy in charge of tactics and team selection to have a healthy emotional distance to the national pride that's at stake in every match to make the risk of them making a heat-of-the-moment decision driven by emotions instead of tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 Has Howe ruled himself out yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 2 hours ago, Pata said: This is just nostalgia, many of those players wouldn’t be starters for the current team. Gallas, Evra, Abidal, Djorkaeff, Karembeu, Petit and Giroud were fine players in their day but nothing special and then saying there are 20-30 more is just ridiculous hyperbole. Theo Hernandez, Saliba, Tchouameni, Maignan and Mbappe are world class, even Kounde. Griezmann is getting older but he’s had a great career. There’s also young talent like Camavinga, Zaire-Emery, Barcola waiting for their turn. Dembele, Kolo Muani and Thuram have rarely impressed in the national team but they are still playing for the biggest club sides in the world. This is utter guff! Football has changed. It is more about running, stats, POMO, cynicism etc. All of the players mentioned from past eras are better technical footballers than anything in the current France national side. Modern players are fitter and capable of playing the game at higher intensity but that comes at a cost technically. They're also protected to a ridiculous level which means they're all soft as shit. Mbappe is considered world class now because players in general are shitter, not because he's a generational talent - who exactly is he competing with to be world class? It's not Ronaldo, Messi, Zidane, Ibrahimovic, Totti, Van Persie, Henry, Iniesta level players. Nowhere near in fact! And I'm not harking back to the 70s here, those are modern era players. Most of those players retired in the past 10 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFCDoog Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 Manager has to be English imo. Our problem of course is that we don't have that many good English managers. The problem with going foreign is they will never 100% want England to win if they play their nation. Say it's the World Cup Final, Germany v England. There's no way Jurgen Klopp, competitiveness or not, is wanting to be the bloke that denies his country that. Not saying he'd throw the game per se, but even subconsciously it won't mean as much to him and there'll be a part of him that doesn't want to win. All the other top nations, aside from 1 or 2, (Portugal and Brazil?) have only ever won a Euros or World Cup with a manager of their own nationality too so there's credence to my theory. Again though the problem lies with the lack of quality English managers. As much as it pains me from a club level, if I was a neutral I would be 1000% behind Howe getting the gig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 (edited) Jorge Sampaoli is Argentinian and he coached Chile to a Copa America beating Argentina in the final. Managers want to win full stop. If it does have to be English - Potter, he can at least coach. Edited July 17 by Astroblack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 2 hours ago, NUFCDoog said: Manager has to be English imo. Our problem of course is that we don't have that many good English managers. The problem with going foreign is they will never 100% want England to win if they play their nation. Say it's the World Cup Final, Germany v England. There's no way Jurgen Klopp, competitiveness or not, is wanting to be the bloke that denies his country that. Not saying he'd throw the game per se, but even subconsciously it won't mean as much to him and there'll be a part of him that doesn't want to win. All the other top nations, aside from 1 or 2, (Portugal and Brazil?) have only ever won a Euros or World Cup with a manager of their own nationality too so there's credence to my theory. Again though the problem lies with the lack of quality English managers. As much as it pains me from a club level, if I was a neutral I would be 1000% behind Howe getting the gig. Doesn’t seem to worry Howe when we play Everton. Jack Charlton was a World Cup winner with England, but he was happy when his Irish team beat England. I don’t think that there is much credence to your theory tbh. England produces very few top managers relative to other leading football nations. I don’t think nationality makes a blind bit of difference, and I don’t think sentiment comes much into players and managers ‘wanting’ to win or not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 I'd give it to carsley, he was impressive in the u21s euros and plays decent football none of this everybody behind the ball malarkey. He will know about the prospects we have already like Wharton etc and he'd play them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 No wonder he’s not been in a rush to find a job… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Fucking hell, imagine being in that position man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Yeah, imagine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Chelsea has to be the ultimate managers gig like. You either win trophies or get fired with a massive payout and no dent to your reputation at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Holy shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 5 hours ago, LFEE said: No wonder he’s not been in a rush to find a job… Bobby Bonilla's agent strikes again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 On 17/07/2024 at 10:49, Pata said: I detested Klopp at Liverpool but at the same time I recognise he’s a magnificent coach and most likely would love him if he ever was a manager for my team. Would be a ridiculous coup for England but don’t think the timing works, maybe if he had resigned a season earlier. If he goes to England after telling USA hes too tired I'll lose my shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 4 minutes ago, Mike said: If he goes to England after telling USA hes too tired I'll lose my shit. Less work to do with England given they've better players so tiredness is less of an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Potter with a come and get plea... Quote "Now I'm in that good place where I'm happy to be ready and looking forward to the next challenge," Potter told Sky Sports., external "I've had a great break. The journey from where I started to where I finished doesn't come for free. It involves moving three countries, with a young family, and all that comes with being a football manager. "It was important for me to take a break, reflect and re-energise. "It's been a good time to look at other things, other sports, other teams and visit places. "I feel really ready, really excited to be back when the right opportunity comes." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Carsley, step right up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, gbandit said: Carsley, step right up “Comfortable in high profile role” doesn’t scream Carsley. Reads like it was reverse engineered for Wor Eddie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 2 minutes ago, Nucasol said: “Comfortable in high profile role” doesn’t scream Carsley. Reads like it was reverse engineered for Wor Eddie. "ChatGPT, please write me an England manager job advert for Eddie Howe" ChatGPT: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, LFEE said: tactics and in-game management? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 28 minutes ago, Nucasol said: “Comfortable in high profile role” doesn’t scream Carsley. Reads like it was reverse engineered for Wor Eddie. Eddie needs to send these lot on their way pronto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveready Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, LFEE said: Looks like a regular job advert 'email now to register your interest' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 No idea why they need to write a job description. Ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 I heard tonight, canny good Source, but 100% unreliable Pep for England Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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