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Thought he was the most talented player we've signed since Ben Arfa. Just absolutely no heart. I seem to remember in the derby Catts was on a yellow and Gini still just completely avoided him and lost the midfield battle so that his legs were safely wrapped for his Liverpool move. Would be perfect as the player behind the striker in a Rafa system, but I still don't want him here.

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He has played a lot deeper since signing for Liverpool hasn't he?

 

His first season there was more AM but now he's just a ball winning/recycling CM, maybe to keep Salah and the fullbacks higher up the pitch. He still creates as much as Henderson, who sees more of the ball and makes many more passes, presumably as the go-to player who collects from the defence.

 

Some numbers you can play with, with Shelvey and Diame in for comparison.

 

http://www2.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2017/2018/jordan_henderson/819/819/86/0/p|premier_league/2017/2018/jonjo_shelvey/819/819/523/39/p|premier_league/2017/2018/mohamed_diam%C3%A9/819/819/922/39/p|premier_league/2016/2017/georginio_wijnaldum/819/641/7968/36/p|premier_league/2017/2018/georginio_wijnaldum/819/819/7968/36/p#total_score/key_passes/chances_created/assists/pass_completion/avg_pass_length/goals_scored/total_duels_%/fouls_committed/fouls_suffered/total_passes/total_forward_passes#total

 

Playing bread and butter CM in this way, and not just "ghost in and score but otherwise invisible" AM, suggests he is much more useful that he looked for us. For us, I think the goals he scored came from very few shots, famously all four in that Norwich game, so that level of production is unlikely to be repeated.

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No way I'd want him back tbh.

 

Also, funny how Klopp said he couldn't believe how deep he was played at NUFC when he signed him for LFC and he's contributed the sum total of fuck all to them in an attacking sense and now plays even deeper for them than he did for us.

 

Would MUCH prefer to look elsewhere.

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Amazing that people that don't want Townshend back want this clown to return.

 

How can people have forgotten how invisible he was for us? ! A complete nothing player.

 

Has done nothing at Liverpool despite all the talent around him and a manager that gives you all the freedom  in the world.

 

Sorry, this guy is terrible. Would have Jonas back ahead of him.

 

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He has played a lot deeper since signing for Liverpool hasn't he?

 

His first season there was more AM but now he's just a ball winning/recycling CM, maybe to keep Salah and the fullbacks higher up the pitch. He still creates as much as Henderson, who sees more of the ball and makes many more passes, presumably as the go-to player who collects from the defence.

 

Some numbers you can play with, with Shelvey and Diame in for comparison.

 

http://www2.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2017/2018/jordan_henderson/819/819/86/0/p|premier_league/2017/2018/jonjo_shelvey/819/819/523/39/p|premier_league/2017/2018/mohamed_diam%C3%A9/819/819/922/39/p|premier_league/2016/2017/georginio_wijnaldum/819/641/7968/36/p|premier_league/2017/2018/georginio_wijnaldum/819/819/7968/36/p#total_score/key_passes/chances_created/assists/pass_completion/avg_pass_length/goals_scored/total_duels_%/fouls_committed/fouls_suffered/total_passes/total_forward_passes#total

 

Playing bread and butter CM in this way, and not just "ghost in and score but otherwise invisible" AM, suggests he is much more useful that he looked for us. For us, I think the goals he scored came from very few shots, famously all four in that Norwich game, so that level of production is unlikely to be repeated.

 

:thup:

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He has played a lot deeper since signing for Liverpool hasn't he?

 

His first season there was more AM but now he's just a ball winning/recycling CM, maybe to keep Salah and the fullbacks higher up the pitch. He still creates as much as Henderson, who sees more of the ball and makes many more passes, presumably as the go-to player who collects from the defence.

 

Some numbers you can play with, with Shelvey and Diame in for comparison.

 

http://www2.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2017/2018/jordan_henderson/819/819/86/0/p|premier_league/2017/2018/jonjo_shelvey/819/819/523/39/p|premier_league/2017/2018/mohamed_diam%C3%A9/819/819/922/39/p|premier_league/2016/2017/georginio_wijnaldum/819/641/7968/36/p|premier_league/2017/2018/georginio_wijnaldum/819/819/7968/36/p#total_score/key_passes/chances_created/assists/pass_completion/avg_pass_length/goals_scored/total_duels_%/fouls_committed/fouls_suffered/total_passes/total_forward_passes#total

 

Playing bread and butter CM in this way, and not just "ghost in and score but otherwise invisible" AM, suggests he is much more useful that he looked for us. For us, I think the goals he scored came from very few shots, famously all four in that Norwich game, so that level of production is unlikely to be repeated.

 

:thup:

 

In 32 games he never misplaced a single pass last season?

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Would have him back in a heartbeat tbh. He's genuine class, he may go missing a few times, but with Rafa at the helm i'm sure he'd be more involved.

 

Klopp couldn't so i'd have my doubts. Problem with him is he's best at making runs from midfield to score. He doesn't really put his foot on the ball and set the tempo which means he disappears a lot by nature.

 

 

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If he isn't scoring he isn't doing anything else. Nothing at all. Really dislike his game so much.

 

Was a tremendous achievement shipping him to Liverpool for the money we did. Bigger scam than the Sissoko deal perhaps.

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If he's being shipped out of Liverpool he's hardly been great for them has he. Us and a Turkish graveyard club the only ones interested? Says all you need to know. He was shite here and obviously hasn't pulled up any tree's for Liverpool. No thanks.

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If he's being shipped out of Liverpool he's hardly been great for them has he. Us and a Turkish graveyard club the only ones interested? Says all you need to know. He was shite here and obviously hasn't pulled up any tree's for Liverpool. No thanks.

 

That's a great post apart from the fact that Liverpool don't want rid of him, he has asked them to leave for first team football.

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He's improved a lot under Klopp. Think he'd improve us, played consistently for them last season.

 

Not so sure he's improved, just got back to his level after listening to Pardew explain the game and thinking 'wtf'.

 

Anyway, almost certainly a load of bollocks.

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He's improved a lot under Klopp. Think he'd improve us, played consistently for them last season.

 

Not so sure he's improved, just got back to his level after listening to Pardew explain the game and thinking 'wtf'.

 

Anyway, almost certainly a load of bollocks.

 

Never played for Pardew.

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He's improved a lot under Klopp. Think he'd improve us, played consistently for them last season.

 

Not so sure he's improved, just got back to his level after listening to Pardew explain the game and thinking 'wtf'.

 

Anyway, almost certainly a load of bollocks.

 

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