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18 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

Feels like everyone in the world knows this lad is a massive problem apart from our manager. Even John Anderson knows. John Anderson, lads, John Anderson.

 

In fairness, at present the alternative is Clark.

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25 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Very true. Trying to think, have we ever played Dummet in a back two? 


Against Sunderland in one of the ‘6 in a row’ and Fletcher had him on toast. Think it was the one Debuchy scored.

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The win away at WBA in the green & blue away kit when Perez scored a flick and a Colo header, Dummett was one of the two CBs that day. I think he's generally been pretty useful at centre back but he's not going to drop the captain to play Dummett there.

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Lascelles did fine while he was on, there seemed to be a really weird hate campaign going on against him and Willock in particular in the first half for some reason. Try watching the game back and see if it could be maybe reassessed. 

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2 minutes ago, TRon said:

Lascelles did fine while he was on, there seemed to be a really weird hate campaign going on against him and Willock in particular in the first half for some reason. Try watching the game back and see if it could be maybe reassessed. 

The voice of reason.  Well said.

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Just now, TRon said:

Lascelles did fine while he was on, there seemed to be a really weird hate campaign going on against him and Willock in particular in the first half for some reason. Try watching the game back and see if it could be maybe reassessed. 

 

Agreed, he did well today before he went off. both our fullbacks were getting beat like a drum in the first half, Schar and Lascalles dealt with everything. Second half trippier sorted himself out, and Manquillio was excellent. Our CBs had much less to do.

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58 minutes ago, TRon said:

Lascelles did fine while he was on, there seemed to be a really weird hate campaign going on against him and Willock in particular in the first half for some reason. Try watching the game back and see if it could be maybe reassessed. 


It’s not a hate campaign, it started really well for the kid when he arrived first and every one of us were happy to have him as a captain.

 

But the defending Mike Ashley and then just his overall performances over the last few seasons. It’s beyond repair as far as am concerned. As a player he peaked at 22 and as a captain has been like a mute the last 2 years.

 

Makes far too many mistakes in every match he plays now, lots of which have led to goals. Why should we treat him any differently to Ciaran Clark? (Who also did fine while he was on)

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He’s one of many who physically are not in the best place. Whatever training they were doing in pre season, it built the bricks for many players walking the hamstring tightrope all season.

 

But with Lascelles who’s prone to a mistake, having serious physical limitations are highlighting this.

 

He’s also lost his voice a bit.. when he first broke into the team he was a natural leader. Not for a long time though. He seems to look to others for guidance now.

 

I mean, I don’t dislike him. He’s always been a model pro and aside from the Mike Ashley comments he’s always represented the club well. But what’s happening on the pitch is making it hard to take all this into account.

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I mean, pretty sure those 2 stats aren't the only relevant ones for judging the quality and/or performances of centre backs.

 

Not to say they aren't relevant, just they are quite selective. 

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2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

I don't think this passes the eye test. Schar is a better and more frequent progressive passer of the ball than Lascelles.

 

Unsure on what counts as a progressive pass tbh but for a CB to be winning less than half of his aerial duels is absolutely shit.

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