Taylor Swift Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Results now players would cost more than we'd have been prepped to pay. Guess Charners and Barnes were looking at it from the POV if Murphy fulfils even half his potential we'll make a profit back on the fee plus he'll be on relatively low wages for someone carrying that fee. Exactly - and you've seen where the policy has got us. Relegated twice. I'd hasten a guess that Rafa thought he had a greater budget left than he actually had as Murphy was fairly early in the window from memory. We've never targeted young local players like Murphy. Lascelles is, if I remember correctly, our most expensive young British bought in the last 5 years. Our policy has been cheap foreigners which resulted in relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Atsu looked ropey in his first few appearances for us last season but he's come on leaps and bounds under Rafa. Murphy will have to play his part in a squad role this season. Atsu looks a million times more dangerous than when he first came, hoping Murphy can develop under Rafa's coaching as well. Rafa has probably seen the raw attributes and attitude and thinks he can coach the tactical side into him. I think you are right that he needs to play a squad role but will get plenty of game time alongside Aarons I suspect (I think Rafa is easing Aarons into it to avoid recurrence of injury) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Results now players would cost more than we'd have been prepped to pay. Guess Charners and Barnes were looking at it from the POV if Murphy fulfils even half his potential we'll make a profit back on the fee plus he'll be on relatively low wages for someone carrying that fee. Exactly - and you've seen where the policy has got us. Relegated twice. I'd hasten a guess that Rafa thought he had a greater budget left than he actually had as Murphy was fairly early in the window from memory. I think the mistake last time was investing heavily in young foreign (new league, life, language) players who simply didn't want to be here. Murphy is the total opposite apart from age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Did Rafa really want this lad? Seems odd that we spent £12m on him but hardly ever play him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Did Rafa really want this lad? Seems odd that we spent £12m on him but hardly ever play him. I think it's more that Atsu has got that place locked down at the moment. Or at least he did. At the start of the season I think it was a case of one of them having to really perform to stay in there because they'd have two of Atsu, Murphy, and Aarons going for that place. At the moment it's more that one of them can underperform maybe knowing that the alternative won't do that much better. I think there's a fair chance that one of Murphy or Aarons will be given a chance against Liverpool because Atsu was poor yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Did Rafa really want this lad? Seems odd that we spent £12m on him but hardly ever play him. I just think Atsu has surprised Rafa in how good he's been Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 It's almost like we need depth on the wings and he's a young kid who always was going to need time to develop. It's fine, not everyone can be young and impact games straight away like Merino. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 He's probably going to be useful eventually, but the question is how much can he give us right now? Based on what I've seen I can understand if Rafa doesn't completely believe he can come on and change a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Rafa demanded we pay what they wanted for him though, was the story in the press. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Well maybe so, doesn't necessarily mean he was top of the list. He might already have been down to target number three. Maybe it's just that Atsu is playing well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I'm not worried about him like, this time last year Atsu was in a similar boat behind Gouffran. He'll get his chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 If he's coming on as an impact sub he can't play as timid as he did at Swansea. Which is actually why I do like Aarons as someone who has a bit of a chip on his shoulder. My thought is Murphy is going to be a really good player for us, just is very very raw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Amazes me that we spent so much money on Murphy when a goalkeeper upgrade would've been so easy. If we'd spent £50m on the squad, the Murphy signing wouldn't stand out so much. Using a significant percentage of the budget on him is a severe oversight, but Rafa probably didn't know how little more he was gonna be able to spend. The lad needs about six months of eating beef and lifting weights if he's gonna have a hope in the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Amazes me that we spent so much money on Murphy when a goalkeeper upgrade would've been so easy. If we'd spent £50m on the squad, the Murphy signing wouldn't stand out so much. Using a significant percentage of the budget on him is a severe oversight, but Rafa probably didn't know how little more he was gonna be able to spend. The lad needs about six months of eating beef and lifting weights if he's gonna have a hope in the Premier League. That's not really my concern with his play. He literally just seems to want to kick it past people and run. No creativity or flair about his game, which is what he'll need at this level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir_9 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Nice shot in the end, but other than that not much urgency from this guy, in fact was incredibly unimpressed with him not getting at / chasing their player by the touchline few mins before that Don't see any signs of him breaking into the first team any time soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 He had a good shot late on but overall he looked like he was offering nothing. You expect a winger coming on so late to be explosive and test the opposition not be so quiet. He needs a lot of work this year and maybe he'll fight for a starting place towards the end of the season/next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Looks very, very limited so far. Would rather the money spent on him and Joselu had gone on a better striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 I was wondering why we spent money on him. He is too raw, he doesn't have lightning speed, he isn't a polished dribbler, he is just young and English. But today I finally know why. If he is able to hit that shot consistently by his weaker foot he is unstoppable in the future. Very long long way to go but at least finally I see something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Needs a little more time to prove himself. Has he even played 180 minutes yet? Good shot at the end. Think he just needs to adjust to a new level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 He doesn't seem to have any stand out qualities which is worrying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Needs a little more time to prove himself. Has he even played 180 minutes yet? Good shot at the end. Think he just needs to adjust to a new level. Hopefully this is the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Not willing to give up on him just yet, he's really on had bits of games, outside of the start against Swansea, which admittedly was poor. Think he needs to learn what Rafa requires of his wide men first before he gains his trust. Been a little disappointed in Atsu, so far, that position is up for grabs if Murphy can step it up, but right now he's a long way off Atsu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir_9 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Not willing to give up on him just yet, he's really on had bits of games, outside of the start against Swansea, which admittedly was poor. Think he needs to learn what Rafa requires of his wide men first before he gains his trust. Been a little disappointed in Atsu, so far, that position is up for grabs if Murphy can step it up, but right now he's a long way off Atsu. What, really? I've thought Atsu is an automatic starter and rightly so, he has his moments but mostly he has been one of the most improved players for me this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 I have no idea why we spent most of our budget on a fringe player honestly.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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