SEMTEX Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 minute ago, gbandit said: I just want clubs to play hardball with them and not pay loan fees and not cover full wages if they’re going to take players on loan. Chelsea will be absolutely desperate to shift players so everyone else should look at that and realise they’re in a position of strength I'm all for people taking advantage of their mental behaviour, but why do we think they'd be desperate to shift players anyway? They've obviously got a creative accountancy plan in place already, and don't seem to care that much about money. I guess they can't register them all, but I doubt they'll care about letting a few Ross Barkley types rot in the reserves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Chelsea seems like an absolutely awful place to be. You can go from a big player with a future to becoming instantly expendable within 24 hours, then if someone doesn't buy you you become important again but only if a third player can be brought in/out which means you're going to be sold regardless. Players are just pieces of meat, it's vile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, midds said: Chelsea seems like an absolutely awful place to be. You can go from a big player with a future to becoming instantly expendable within 24 hours, then if someone doesn't buy you you become important again but only if a third player can be brought in/out which means you're going to be sold regardless. Players are just pieces of meat, it's vile American owners. Employees are pieces of meat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 They're a culture-less football enterprise, @midds. It was the same, if not slightly less so under Abramovich, but much worse under Bohely, who's an absolute creep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 It's like that scene in Moneyball where the deals get done over the phone and the players simply get told where they're going to be playing/living. May be accurate but it's stomach-churning how little of a shit the owners care about the players at their team, just moved around and exploited without a care in the world. It's actually disgusting what they're doing tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 It’s extremely damaging to them long-term. So many players’ careers will come to nothing there while Chelsea stack up enormous debts. They’re gross and I can’t wait for Boehly to fuck off and take his ‘human capital’ approach with him, the utter freak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 28 minutes ago, The Bonk said: Why would Arsenal even want Jorginho? They need midfield cover of some sort in case Partey goes down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Is there no chance that they could be embargoed if they go daft on to many transfers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 hours ago, gazza ladra said: Well, not baseball. That’s one of the many reasons it’s in trouble IMO. Thirty years a ago they reached the milestone where one player at the New York Yankees was earning more money than the entire roster of another club. That has almost nothing to do with baseball's problems (or "problems" considering revenue of almost $11B last year). Also the issue in your last sentence is not the Yankees, but the cheap team. If the Premier League didn't have relegation then that would have been Mike Ashley's play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, andycap said: Is there no chance that they could be embargoed if they go daft on to many transfers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: That has almost nothing to do with baseball's problems (or "problems" considering revenue of almost $11B last year). Also the issue in your last sentence is not the Yankees, but the cheap team. If the Premier League didn't have relegation then that would have been Mike Ashley's play. Yes, it’s one of many problems. The other team (most small market teams) cannot compete. Each team makes their own TV contracts for 162 games. There is no promotion/relegation. Those small market clubs are just there to make up the numbers. No reason for fans to care one way or another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 What is the punishment for breaching ffp anyways, transfer ban? My theory was there was a pot of dodgy money involved in this takeover and let's say they had 12 months to spend a billion. I could imagine they would happily take the the hit of a 1 or 2 year transfer ban if it meant hoovering up most of Europe's top talent like they seem to be. Only surprise is that they didn't get a name striker in this window but they have Nkunku coming in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 51 minutes ago, The Bonk said: Why would Arsenal even want Jorginho? When it comes to the crunch time of the season and Arsenal's free-flowing football become nervy 1-0 margins, he's the perfect player to bring on and suck all of the life (and fun) out of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Buncemouth more like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, alexf said: What is the punishment for breaching ffp anyways, transfer ban? My theory was there was a pot of dodgy money involved in this takeover and let's say they had 12 months to spend a billion. I could imagine they would happily take the the hit of a 1 or 2 year transfer ban if it meant hoovering up most of Europe's top talent like they seem to be. Only surprise is that they didn't get a name striker in this window but they have Nkunku coming in the summer. I looked this up earlier. You may be right. Worth the risk, if they get a slap on the wrist. Anything more punitive and they take it to court. (Where they will win.) Quote Non-compliance with the regulations does not mean that a club will be excluded automatically, but there will be no exceptions. Depending on various factors (e.g. the trend of the break-even result) different disciplinary measures may be imposed against a club. There is a catalogue of measures: a) warning b) reprimand c) fine d) deduction of points e) withholding of revenues from a UEFA competition f) prohibition on registering new players in UEFA competitions g) restriction on the number of players that a club may register for participation in UEFA competitions, including a financial limit on the overall aggregate cost of the employee benefits expenses of players registered on the A-list for the purposes of UEFA club competitions h) disqualification from competitions in progress and/or exclusion from future competitions i) withdrawal of a title or award Edited January 30, 2023 by gazza ladra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: When it comes to the crunch time of the season and Arsenal's free-flowing football become nervy 1-0 margins, he's the perfect player to bring on and suck all of the life (and fun) out of games. He looks a bit past it(think he was playing out of position when I watched Chelsea last to be fair), but that makes sense. I’d not bother offering him a new contract if I were them, could sign a younger player in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 If you are not registered in a 25 man squad then you should be automatically available for a fee equal to one years salary. Selling club cannot refuse an offer at that level. exceptions for players under the age of 21. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: If you are not registered in a 25 man squad then you should be automatically available for a fee equal to one years salary. Selling club cannot refuse an offer at that level. exceptions for players under the age of 21. Like that idea. Also gives players on the edge of the squad bit more agency. Edited January 30, 2023 by Tomato Deuce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Would have took Isco on a free.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, duo said: Would have took Isco on a free.. Exactly the sort of signing we don't want, past his best and he he doesn't strike me as someone with much endurance. Edited January 30, 2023 by Alberto2005 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Alberto2005 said: Exactly the sort of signing we don't want, past his best and he he doesn't strike me as someone with much endurance. Yeah you're right - am remembering the player of old. Still only 30. Edited January 30, 2023 by duo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Cracking signing for Union, mind. Hope they push for European places this year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 I know we all hate Chelsea but what they are doing is really smart imo. The money is absurd it’s true but it’s nothing in the grand scheme of it. They found a loophlole and have taking massive advantage. It’s quite clear Boehly isn’t trying to make a profit in terms of trading he’s just trying to increase the valuation of the club for a sale in the long term. Given we haven’t utilised the full financial clout of the PIF I’m guessing we are more of an investment than a sportswashing vehicle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillDanceForChocolate Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 I'll be honest, AFCB have had worse windows. Hopefully we get them all over the line. Then we only need a new manager, for all the new signings to somehow instantaneously gel and a few lucky results so we stay up this season. Then it could get really interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I know we all hate Chelsea but what they are doing is really smart imo. The money is absurd it’s true but it’s nothing in the grand scheme of it. They found a loophlole and have taking massive advantage. It’s quite clear Boehly isn’t trying to make a profit in terms of trading he’s just trying to increase the valuation of the club for a sale in the long term. Given we haven’t utilised the full financial clout of the PIF I’m guessing we are more of an investment than a sportswashing vehicle. it’s such a high risk strategy though. If any of these players end up permanently injured or not suited to the premier league, they are stuck with these 10-20 mill pound per year wages for another 8 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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