xLiaaamx Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Isn't that Graves tweet literally the next part of that "Sign no one but look like you're trying" blueprint from yesterday. Sigh. Hello Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 https://twitter.com/PeteGravesSky/status/956159124340969473 So he reckons we've given up on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Journalist (Marcel van de Kraan??) from Holland on Talksport (who “talks to Jorgensen every week.”) basically warning that he doesn’t see him as being a success in England. Also generally suggesting extreme caution in signing all but the very best of the Eredivisie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 His 2nd part of that Tweet made me laugh, wonder if that is the same ‘gut feeling’ that he had when he said the takeover would happen. Sky being fed all sorts of propaganda by the club at the minute, which worries me massively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Poor Feyenoord thinking they are dealing with a proper prem outfit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I’d prefer that Selke fella we have been linked with over Jorgensen if we are going to spend big on someone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 dont know who he is and it wont happen anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 His 2nd part of that Tweet made me laugh, wonder if that is the same ‘gut feeling’ that he had when he said the takeover would happen. Sky being fed all sorts of propaganda by the club at the minute, which worries me massively. Its been clear Sky are Ashley's mouthpiece since August. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Journalist (Marcel van de Kraan??) from Holland on Talksport (who “talks to Jorgensen every week.”) basically warning that he doesn’t see him as being a success in England. Also generally suggesting extreme caution in signing all but the very best of the Eredivisie. Sounds like he is one of Ashley's kind of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I agree that Sky appear to be well fishy when it comes to Ashley, I just can't see what's in it for them though. They're probably just be too lazy to talk to people with a different view to their boys, I doubt they give enough of a shit about what has been happening here to dig into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I agree that Sky appear to be well fishy when it comes to Ashley, I just can't see what's in it for them though. They're probably just be too lazy to talk to people with a different view to their boys, I doubt they give enough of a s*** about what has been happening here to dig into it. The attention of a massive, passionate fan base. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I agree that Sky appear to be well fishy when it comes to Ashley, I just can't see what's in it for them though. They're probably just be too lazy to talk to people with a different view to their boys, I doubt they give enough of a s*** about what has been happening here to dig into it. They don't give a shit so they just go off what's been leaked to them by the club, telling Sky who'll then tell the fans that they tried their best to sign a striker but just couldn't get him over the line. The utter morons will lap it up but the gargantuan majority see straight through it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Rafas got some highly questionable transfers on his resume and given the state of some of the goalscorers that have come to England from the eredivisie previously (excluding the minority that showed star talent as a teenager) I'd say the scepticism towards this transfer is more than justified. This is such a bloody weird statement man Can you tell me which manager doesn't if you don't mind? I'll wait. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Going off the very limited clips I've seen of him, considering he's not a particularly pacey player, he seems to get a lot of his goals by beating the offside trap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I agree that Sky appear to be well fishy when it comes to Ashley, I just can't see what's in it for them though. They're probably just be too lazy to talk to people with a different view to their boys, I doubt they give enough of a s*** about what has been happening here to dig into it. The attention of a massive, passionate fan base. Exclusive interviews from the owner to Craigy help too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Going off the very limited clips I've seen of him, considering he's not a particularly pacey player, he seems to get a lot of his goals by beating the offside trap. I think he looks really good in those clips. He looks like he moves really well. Doesn't look like he is slow at all. People always go on about the Eredevise, but for the most part the more physically impressive guys with good goal scoring records tend to do well. Bony was fantastic at Swansea, Pelle at Southampton, Bas Dost went on to do amazing in Germany and now Portugal. We can't keep waiting for these guys to do amazing things elsewhere and then go after them when everyone else is sure of them too and they cost stupid money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Going off the very limited clips I've seen of him, considering he's not a particularly pacey player, he seems to get a lot of his goals by beating the offside trap. I think he looks really good in those clips. He looks like he moves really well. Doesn't look like he is slow at all. People always go on about the Eredevise, but for the most part the more physically impressive guys with good goal scoring records tend to do well. Bony was fantastic at Swansea, Pelle at Southampton, Bas Dost went on to do amazing in Germany and now Portugal. We can't keep waiting for these guys to do amazing things elsewhere and then go after them when everyone else is sure of them too and they cost stupid money. That's right assuming we were a normal club in a normal position. My worry is that we desperately need someone who is going to put them away, so we can't really take too much of a risk, and going off some of the reviews of the people who know him, I'm not sure this is who we should be 'splashing out' on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Rafas got some highly questionable transfers on his resume and given the state of some of the goalscorers that have come to England from the eredivisie previously (excluding the minority that showed star talent as a teenager) I'd say the scepticism towards this transfer is more than justified. This is such a bloody weird statement man Can you tell me which manager doesn't if you don't mind? I'll wait. Thanks. My point is people suggest we should trust every decision he makes to the end of the earth, I'm just pointing out he's made some bad ones. I'd say during his time at Liverpool the bad transfers out weigh the good ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Rafas got some highly questionable transfers on his resume and given the state of some of the goalscorers that have come to England from the eredivisie previously (excluding the minority that showed star talent as a teenager) I'd say the scepticism towards this transfer is more than justified. This is such a bloody weird statement man Can you tell me which manager doesn't if you don't mind? I'll wait. Thanks. My point is people suggest we should trust every decision he makes to the end of the earth, I'm just pointing out he's made some bad ones. I'd say during his time at Liverpool the bad transfers out weigh the good ones. I'm pretty sure Big Mike will agree with you, so don't worry, we won't take that risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Rafas got some highly questionable transfers on his resume and given the state of some of the goalscorers that have come to England from the eredivisie previously (excluding the minority that showed star talent as a teenager) I'd say the scepticism towards this transfer is more than justified. This is such a bloody weird statement man Can you tell me which manager doesn't if you don't mind? I'll wait. Thanks. My point is people suggest we should trust every decision he makes to the end of the earth, I'm just pointing out he's made some bad ones. I'd say during his time at Liverpool the bad transfers out weigh the good ones. How many of those bad transfers were in the team when they won the Champions League? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Going off the very limited clips I've seen of him, considering he's not a particularly pacey player, he seems to get a lot of his goals by beating the offside trap. I think he looks really good in those clips. He looks like he moves really well. Doesn't look like he is slow at all. People always go on about the Eredevise, but for the most part the more physically impressive guys with good goal scoring records tend to do well. Bony was fantastic at Swansea, Pelle at Southampton, Bas Dost went on to do amazing in Germany and now Portugal. We can't keep waiting for these guys to do amazing things elsewhere and then go after them when everyone else is sure of them too and they cost stupid money. That's right assuming we were a normal club in a normal position. My worry is that we desperately need someone who is going to put them away, and going off some of the reviews of the people who know him, I'm not sure this is who we should be 'splashing out' on. But there are absolutely no guarantees man. We have to trust the manager. All we can do is give him the player he believes can do the job, and that will be our best chance. We cannot just assume that it will not work because the guy is coming in from the Eredevise. it's just not a fair assessment to make. We could just as easily bring in Sturridge or Ings and they continue to have the injury problems they have recently, and nothing would be worse than that really. They also haven't been playing and so are likely rusty and not high on confidence. We just need to get in the players Rafa wants. If he's happy we are more likely to do better in general. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Rafas got some highly questionable transfers on his resume and given the state of some of the goalscorers that have come to England from the eredivisie previously (excluding the minority that showed star talent as a teenager) I'd say the scepticism towards this transfer is more than justified. This is such a bloody weird statement man Can you tell me which manager doesn't if you don't mind? I'll wait. Thanks. My point is people suggest we should trust every decision he makes to the end of the earth, I'm just pointing out he's made some bad ones. I'd say during his time at Liverpool the bad transfers out weigh the good ones. While I agree with your point, that bit about the bad signings outweighing the good ones is massively stretching it like. Of the big signings that Rafa made at Liverpool, only Aquilani was an unquestionable failure. Josemi Malaga £2,000,000 26 July 2004 Antonio Nunez Real Madrid £1,500,000 17 August 2004 Xabi Alonso Real Sociedad £10,700,000 20 August 2004 Luis Garcia Barcelona £6,000,000 20 August 2004 Mauricio Pellegrino Valencia Free 5 January 2005 Fernando Morientes Real Madrid £6,300,000 13 January 2005 Scott Carson Leeds £1,000,000 21 January 2005 Boudewijn Zenden Free Transfer Free 4 July 2005 Pepe Reina Villarreal £6,000,000 4 July 2005 Antonio Barragan Sevilla £240,000 4 July 2005 Momo Sissoko Valencia £5,600,000 14 July 2005 Peter Crouch Southampton £7,000,000 20 July 2005 Miki Roque Lleidav Unknown 15 August 2005 Jack Hobbs Lincoln £150,000 18 August 2005 Besian Idrizaj LASK Linz £190,000 22 August 2005 Mark Gonzalez Albacete £1,500,000 20 October 2005 Paul Anderson Hull Swap 1 January 2006 Jan Kromkamp Villarreal Swap 4 January 2006 David Martin MK Dons £250,000 12 January 2006 Daniel Agger Brondby £5,800,000 12 January 2006 Robbie Fowler Man City Free 27 January 2006 Craig Bellamy Blackburn £6,000,000 1 July 2006 Gabriel Paletta Banfield £2,000,000 4 July 2006 Fabio Aurelio Valencia Free 5 July 2006 Jermaine Pennant Birmingham £6,700,000 26 July 2006 Dirk Kuyt Feyenoord £9,000,000 18 August 2006 Nabil El Zhar St Etienne £200,000 21 August 2006 Astrit Ajdarevic Falkenberg £750,000 11 January 2007 Daniele Padelli Sampdoria Loan 12 January 2007 Jordy Brouwer Ajax Undisclosed 24 January 2007 Francisco Manuel Duran Malaga £66,000 30 January 2007 Alvaro Arbeloa Deportivo £2,500,000 31 January 2007 Javier Mascherano West Ham Loan 20 February 2007 Lucas Gremio £5,000,000 11 May 2007 Krisztian Nemeth MTK Hungaria Undisclosed 25 May 2007 Mikel San Jose Athletic Bilbao £270,000 28 June 2007 Sebastian Leto Lanús £1,800,000 1 July 2007 Fernando Torres Atletico Madrid £20,200,000 4 July 2007 Andriy Voronin Leverkusen Free 6 July 2007 Yossi Benayoun West Ham £5,000,000 12 July 2007 Ryan Babel Ajax £11,500,000 13 July 2007 Charles Itandje Lens Undisclosed 9 August 2007 Emiliano Insua Boca Juniors £1,300,000 26 August 2007 Lauri Dalla Valle JIPPO £600,000 8 November 2007 Martin Skrtel Zenit St Petersburg £6,500,000 11 January 2008 Javier Mascherano Media Sports Investment £18,600,000 29 February 2008 Philipp Degen Borussia Dortmund Free 3 July 2008 Andrea Dossena Udinese £7,000,000 4 July 2008 Diego Cavalieri Palmeiras £3,500,000 11 July 2008 David N'Gog Paris St Germain £1,500,000 24 July 2008 Robbie Keane Tottenham £19,000,000 28 July 2008 Albert Riera Espanyol £8,000,000 31 August 2008 Glen Johnson Portsmouth £17,500,000 26 June 2009 Alberto Aquilani Roma £17,100,000 7 August 2009 Sotirios Kyrgiakos AEK Athens £2,000,000 21 August 2009 Daniel Ayala Sevilla £160,000 17 September 2009 Maxi Rodriguez Atletico Madrid Free 12 January 2010 Raheem Sterling Queens Park Rangers £600,000 27 February 2010 Jonjo Shelvey Charlton £1,700,000 10 May 2010 Milan Jovanovic Standard Liege Free 8 July 2010 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Going off the very limited clips I've seen of him, considering he's not a particularly pacey player, he seems to get a lot of his goals by beating the offside trap. It’s called using your brain, it works now and again due to most footballers not having that ability Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Didn’t realise he signed Shelvey for Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Rafas got some highly questionable transfers on his resume and given the state of some of the goalscorers that have come to England from the eredivisie previously (excluding the minority that showed star talent as a teenager) I'd say the scepticism towards this transfer is more than justified. This is such a bloody weird statement man Can you tell me which manager doesn't if you don't mind? I'll wait. Thanks. My point is people suggest we should trust every decision he makes to the end of the earth, I'm just pointing out he's made some bad ones. I'd say during his time at Liverpool the bad transfers out weigh the good ones. Any manager can get transfers wrong. We need to trust Rafa because he is a good manager and he will do everything to keep us up, and therefore getting him who he wants is important because it keeps him happy and ultimately that will be what gives us the best chance. There is no magic signing that is guaranteed to work at this point. This should have all been better managed in the summer. We are already in a precarious position. They just need to back the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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