Infinitely Content Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Nico finishes with great conviction on the auld YouTube. I like the cut of his jib. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Eredivisie is no different to any other non traditionally big league tbh, it's just players there are coached well technically and tactically so more people are usually signed from there. Even France which is of a higher level than the Dutch league has loads of flops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Jozy Altidore: AZ. App: 67 goals: 39. Sunderland. App: 42. Goals: 1. Players records from Eredivise are a concern. Suarez, Van Persie, Van Nistlerooy, Kuyt and many more. I think it's just more of a lottery than normal really. I think if you watch them as players rather than their league, you'll probably get a better idea. I think the only player who looked brilliant before arriving and then wasn't, was probably Kezman. Afonso Alves I don't think he looked brilliant like. Only the 45 goals in 39 games tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Jozy Altidore: AZ. App: 67 goals: 39. Sunderland. App: 42. Goals: 1. Players records from Eredivise are a concern. Suarez, Van Persie, Van Nistlerooy, Kuyt and many more. I think it's just more of a lottery than normal really. I think if you watch them as players rather than their league, you'll probably get a better idea. I think the only player who looked brilliant before arriving and then wasn't, was probably Kezman. Afonso Alves I don't think he looked brilliant like. Only the 45 goals in 39 games tbf Great record in any league, but not the be all and end all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Think KI means performance/talent wise tbf, obviously you are much more likely to translate if you show you have talent outside of scoring goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Jozy Altidore: AZ. App: 67 goals: 39. Sunderland. App: 42. Goals: 1. Players records from Eredivise are a concern. Suarez, Van Persie, Van Nistlerooy, Kuyt and many more. I think it's just more of a lottery than normal really. I think if you watch them as players rather than their league, you'll probably get a better idea. I think the only player who looked brilliant before arriving and then wasn't, was probably Kezman. Oh, plenty more have (Alves, Ruiz, etc), but many more players than the ones you mentioned from Eredivisie have also looked brilliant in the PL (Robben, Hasselbaink, VdV, Bergkamp, etc.) It’s just a strange notion that transfers from Eredivisie clubs are somehow different from any other player transfer from one club to another. Plenty of players have moved clubs within England and even the PL and failed. It’s almost like getting a new player in is always a bit of a risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 The more concerning thing is that nobody that I've seen who watches him play regularly thinks he can be a success here I have and I think he can be a success here, but he could also be a flop. For us to get in a striker who will be a guaranteed success we’ll need to spend a multitude of the 20m said to be available, and even then it could end up in failure (and probably would considering this is NUFC we’re talking about). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Ricky van Wolfswinkel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Bony was a funny one. Remember when we were linked so I Dennis Wised him and his goals in Holland were basically him knocking people out of the way like he was playing 9 year olds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Bony's highlights were hilarious Although tbf to him he was very good until he decided to sit on City's bench for 2+ seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Jozy Altidore: AZ. App: 67 goals: 39. Sunderland. App: 42. Goals: 1. Players records from Eredivise are a concern. Suarez, Van Persie, Van Nistlerooy, Kuyt and many more. I think it's just more of a lottery than normal really. I think if you watch them as players rather than their league, you'll probably get a better idea. I think the only player who looked brilliant before arriving and then wasn't, was probably Kezman. Vincent Janssen. AZ. App: 34. Goals 27 Spurs. App: 27. Goals 2. Theres many. I think striker wise. Van Nistelrooy and Suarez are the exception. To carry 20 plus goals over into the EPL. It just worries me that league, equally scotland would if we got Dembele. I think the situation we are in and unable to sign proven, presents a risk, a gamble. Just dont be dismissive of that. I wouldn't be the kind of dick to say I told you so, I dont know the player, but it still worries me. The drop is now ony 3pts. Is he our saviour? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Jozy Altidore: AZ. App: 67 goals: 39. Sunderland. App: 42. Goals: 1. Players records from Eredivise are a concern. Suarez, Van Persie, Van Nistlerooy, Kuyt and many more. I think it's just more of a lottery than normal really. I think if you watch them as players rather than their league, you'll probably get a better idea. I think the only player who looked brilliant before arriving and then wasn't, was probably Kezman. Vincent Janssen. AZ. App: 34. Goals 27 Spurs. App: 27. Goals 2. Theres many. I think striker wise. Van Nistelrooy and Suarez are the exception. To carry 20 plus goals over into the EPL. It just worries me that league, equally scotland would if we got Dembele. I think the situation we are in and unable to sign proven, presents a risk, a gamble. Just dont be dismissive of that. I wouldn't be the kind of dick to say I told you so, I font know the player, but it still worries me. The drop is now ony 3pts. Is he our saviour? I'm fairly confident Rafa isn't expecting this lad to be a 20 goal plus striker like. He's just probably not expecting him to be a <5 goal striker like Joselu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Graziano Pelle came in from Feyenoord and was fantastic. Really hoping he can have a similar impact if we sign him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Jozy Altidore: AZ. App: 67 goals: 39. Sunderland. App: 42. Goals: 1. Players records from Eredivise are a concern. Suarez, Van Persie, Van Nistlerooy, Kuyt and many more. I think it's just more of a lottery than normal really. I think if you watch them as players rather than their league, you'll probably get a better idea. I think the only player who looked brilliant before arriving and then wasn't, was probably Kezman. Oh, plenty more have (Alves, Ruiz, etc), but many more players than the ones you mentioned from Eredivisie have also looked brilliant in the PL (Robben, Hasselbaink, VdV, Bergkamp, etc.) It’s just a strange notion that transfers from Eredivisie clubs are somehow different from any other player transfer from one club to another. Plenty of players have moved clubs within England and even the PL and failed. It’s almost like getting a new player in is always a bit of a risk. Thing is, the players who have done well in the PL usually have had one or more stand out attributes like speed, physicality or exceptional technique. Players like Kezman, De Jong, Janssen etc, may have good movement and play intelligently which seems to be working great in the Dutch league, but they are neither strong, fast or have particularly good technique where you need something to stand out in England. Only exception I can think of is Kuyt which, as we here know all too well, will always be an enigma. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Jozy Altidore: AZ. App: 67 goals: 39. Sunderland. App: 42. Goals: 1. Players records from Eredivise are a concern. Suarez, Van Persie, Van Nistlerooy, Kuyt and many more. I think it's just more of a lottery than normal really. I think if you watch them as players rather than their league, you'll probably get a better idea. I think the only player who looked brilliant before arriving and then wasn't, was probably Kezman. Vincent Janssen. AZ. App: 34. Goals 27 Spurs. App: 27. Goals 2. Theres many. I think striker wise. Van Nistelrooy and Suarez are the exception. To carry 20 plus goals over into the EPL. It just worries me that league, equally scotland would if we got Dembele. I think the situation we are in and unable to sign proven, presents a risk, a gamble. Just dont be dismissive of that. I wouldn't be the kind of dick to say I told you so, I font know the player, but it still worries me. The drop is now ony 3pts. Is he our saviour? I'm fairly confident Rafa isn't expecting this lad to be a 20 goal plus striker like. He's just probably not expecting him to be a <5 goal striker like Joselu. Nobody said he was. We are looking at teansitions into other leagues and success and failure. So were spurs only expecting 2 from Jansen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Interesting to note that Van Persie has rejoined Feyenoord this month and so they have a replacement sorted already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Jozy Altidore: AZ. App: 67 goals: 39. Sunderland. App: 42. Goals: 1. Players records from Eredivise are a concern. Suarez, Van Persie, Van Nistlerooy, Kuyt and many more. I think it's just more of a lottery than normal really. I think if you watch them as players rather than their league, you'll probably get a better idea. I think the only player who looked brilliant before arriving and then wasn't, was probably Kezman. Vincent Janssen. AZ. App: 34. Goals 27 Spurs. App: 27. Goals 2. Theres many. I think striker wise. Van Nistelrooy and Suarez are the exception. To carry 20 plus goals over into the EPL. It just worries me that league, equally scotland would if we got Dembele. I think the situation we are in and unable to sign proven, presents a risk, a gamble. Just dont be dismissive of that. I wouldn't be the kind of dick to say I told you so, I font know the player, but it still worries me. The drop is now ony 3pts. Is he our saviour? I'm fairly confident Rafa isn't expecting this lad to be a 20 goal plus striker like. He's just probably not expecting him to be a <5 goal striker like Joselu. Nobody said he was. We are looking at teansitions into other leagues and success and failure. So were spurs only expecting 2 from Jansen? Highly doubtful, what's your point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Jozy Altidore: AZ. App: 67 goals: 39. Sunderland. App: 42. Goals: 1. Players records from Eredivise are a concern. Suarez, Van Persie, Van Nistlerooy, Kuyt and many more. I think it's just more of a lottery than normal really. I think if you watch them as players rather than their league, you'll probably get a better idea. I think the only player who looked brilliant before arriving and then wasn't, was probably Kezman. Vincent Janssen. AZ. App: 34. Goals 27 Spurs. App: 27. Goals 2. Theres many. I think striker wise. Van Nistelrooy and Suarez are the exception. To carry 20 plus goals over into the EPL. It just worries me that league, equally scotland would if we got Dembele. I think the situation we are in and unable to sign proven, presents a risk, a gamble. Just dont be dismissive of that. I wouldn't be the kind of dick to say I told you so, I font know the player, but it still worries me. The drop is now ony 3pts. Is he our saviour? Equally there is no need to be so dismissive of the Eredivisie even though Dutch football is going through a very rough patch. It is my contention more world class forwards have spent their formative years in Dutch academies or learnt their trade in this league than in English ones in recent decades. I’ll simply say: Romario, Van Basten, Gullit, Ronaldo, Bergkamp, Van Nistelrooij, Kluivert, Mackaaij, Van Persie, Robben, Ibrahimovic, Suarez and that’s me probably forgetting a few good ones too. No need to go on like we’re some football backwater. Well we are at the moment, but plenty of players have been developed here, and plenty more will follow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 This cunt signed yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Someone needs to visit one of those famous Amsterdam cafes for a bowl. Chill, Unbelievable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 You guys are missing the point, none of them have been Danish from the Dutch league. The Danes to move from the Dutch league are: Christian Eriksen Jesper Gronkjaer Dennis Rommedahl Jon Dahl Tommasson All great players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Jozy Altidore: AZ. App: 67 goals: 39. Sunderland. App: 42. Goals: 1. Players records from Eredivise are a concern. Suarez, Van Persie, Van Nistlerooy, Kuyt and many more. I think it's just more of a lottery than normal really. I think if you watch them as players rather than their league, you'll probably get a better idea. I think the only player who looked brilliant before arriving and then wasn't, was probably Kezman. Vincent Janssen. AZ. App: 34. Goals 27 Spurs. App: 27. Goals 2. Theres many. I think striker wise. Van Nistelrooy and Suarez are the exception. To carry 20 plus goals over into the EPL. It just worries me that league, equally scotland would if we got Dembele. I think the situation we are in and unable to sign proven, presents a risk, a gamble. Just dont be dismissive of that. I wouldn't be the kind of dick to say I told you so, I font know the player, but it still worries me. The drop is now ony 3pts. Is he our saviour? I'm fairly confident Rafa isn't expecting this lad to be a 20 goal plus striker like. He's just probably not expecting him to be a <5 goal striker like Joselu. He looks like he's got more of a goal poacher instinct than either Joselu or Mitro, good movement in the penalty area as compared to those two. I would think that is going to be what Rafa would see in him. He's 27 yrs old though, against Mitro at 23, so Charnley being allowed to authorise a £20m fee sounds like a joke in poor taste. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 And Jan Molby! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Jozy Altidore: AZ. App: 67 goals: 39. Sunderland. App: 42. Goals: 1. Players records from Eredivise are a concern. Suarez, Van Persie, Van Nistlerooy, Kuyt and many more. I think it's just more of a lottery than normal really. I think if you watch them as players rather than their league, you'll probably get a better idea. I think the only player who looked brilliant before arriving and then wasn't, was probably Kezman. Vincent Janssen. AZ. App: 34. Goals 27 Spurs. App: 27. Goals 2. Theres many. I think striker wise. Van Nistelrooy and Suarez are the exception. To carry 20 plus goals over into the EPL. It just worries me that league, equally scotland would if we got Dembele. I think the situation we are in and unable to sign proven, presents a risk, a gamble. Just dont be dismissive of that. I wouldn't be the kind of dick to say I told you so, I font know the player, but it still worries me. The drop is now ony 3pts. Is he our saviour? I'm fairly confident Rafa isn't expecting this lad to be a 20 goal plus striker like. He's just probably not expecting him to be a <5 goal striker like Joselu. Nobody said he was. We are looking at transitions into other leagues and success and failure. So were spurs only expecting 2 from Jansen? Highly doubtful, what's your point? Your claiming Rafa doesnt expect 20 goals. But more than 5. And quoting me im guessing cos you think I think he should get 20 goals because I said Suarez and RVN are exceptions. My point was they are exceptions. Not many cross the waters and carry excessive Eredivise goal form into tje premier league. Was being sarcastic about Jansen, He came here with a good record and into a good side who create chances and managed a return of 2 goals. And meaning of course Spurs were expecting more for their outlay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Jozy Altidore: AZ. App: 67 goals: 39. Sunderland. App: 42. Goals: 1. Players records from Eredivise are a concern. Suarez, Van Persie, Van Nistlerooy, Kuyt and many more. I think it's just more of a lottery than normal really. I think if you watch them as players rather than their league, you'll probably get a better idea. I think the only player who looked brilliant before arriving and then wasn't, was probably Kezman. Vincent Janssen. AZ. App: 34. Goals 27 Spurs. App: 27. Goals 2. Theres many. I think striker wise. Van Nistelrooy and Suarez are the exception. To carry 20 plus goals over into the EPL. It just worries me that league, equally scotland would if we got Dembele. I think the situation we are in and unable to sign proven, presents a risk, a gamble. Just dont be dismissive of that. I wouldn't be the kind of dick to say I told you so, I font know the player, but it still worries me. The drop is now ony 3pts. Is he our saviour? Equally there is no need to be so dismissive of the Eredivisie even though Dutch football is going through a very rough patch. It is my contention more world class forwards have spent their formative years in Dutch academies or learnt their trade in this league than in English ones in recent decades. I’ll simply say: Romario, Van Basten, Gullit, Ronaldo, Bergkamp, Van Nistelrooij, Kluivert, Mackaaij, Van Persie, Robben, Ibrahimovic, Suarez and that’s me probably forgetting a few good ones too. No need to go on like we’re some football backwater. Well we are at the moment, but plenty of players have been developed here, and plenty more will follow. Don't think anyone is disputing that the Netherlands and the Eredivisie have developed some great players in the past,more than most leagues as you say. Recently though, that isn't the case. The reaction would be the same if it was a 27 year old coming from Belgium or Switzerland for example Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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