Various: N-O has lost the plot over potential end of Mike Ashley's tenure

[Numbers]

My guess it's rebranded BeoutQ-boxes... 

 

Renamed PissoffQ?

[Guest godzilla]

 

Can always rely on Bloomberg to spread Saudi's fairy tales.. no longer worked ffs The US' stance on the majority of Qatar's claims in the WTO report is also unceremoniously pro-Saudi.

 

BeIN has been widely available legally throughout the last year in KSA, as I have said previously.

 

I was under the impression that they were still banned from being shown in public places though (i.e. cafes)

 

According to some Saudis on twitter they are saying bars, cafes etc started showing BEIN in August/September of last year. 

[wormy]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-16/ruling-against-saudi-clouds-prospects-for-newcastle-soccer-deal

 

I can't read it like, but presumably it's from this article..

 

 

A World Trade Organization finding that Saudi Arabia broke intellectual-property rules when it failed to crack down on pirated Qatari television broadcasts could hurt the kingdom’s effort to buy a major U.K. soccer team, and may even have implications for U.S. tariffs.

 

Qatar, boycotted by a Saudi-led Arab alliance since 2017, brought the case against the kingdom over satellite broadcaster and streaming service beoutQ. The Saudi government denies links to beoutQ, but on Tuesday a WTO panel found the company operated under Saudi jurisdiction and retransmitted content produced by Qatar-based sports broadcaster BeIN Media Group LLC.

 

“Qatar has established that Saudi Arabia has not provided for criminal procedures and penalties to be applied to beoutQ” despite established evidence that it’s operated by people or entities under Saudi jurisdiction, the Geneva-based body said in its ruling.

 

Ali Al Kuwari, Qatar’s minister of commerce and industry, called the judgment “a resounding victory,” and Stephen Nathan, a lawyer for BeIN Media, hailed “a historic vindication of intellectual property rights.”

 

Newcastle Bid

 

Saudi officials vowed to appeal, but also said they were pleased the panel partly ruled in favor of a WTO exemption, raised by the kingdom, that permits governments to take actions to protect “essential security interests.” Riyadh argues that applies to the claim by Qatar, which it accuses of interfering in Saudi affairs.

 

“The Saudis think that they have won on every issue that matters to them,” said Daniel Crosby, legal counsel to Saudi Arabia in the case.

 

An appeal would essentially veto the ruling and block Qatar’s pursuit of redress as the WTO appellate body no longer has sufficient members to sign off on new rulings due to a Trump administration block on nominees.

 

The dispute has weighed on the pending bid by the Saudi sovereign wealth fund and other investors for Newcastle United. In April, BeIN Chief Executive Officer Yousef Al-Obaidly urged heads of English Premier League clubs to “fully interrogate” the people and money behind the deal.

 

“Not only has the potential acquirer of Newcastle United caused huge damage to your club’s and the Premier League’s commercial revenues; but the legacy of the illegal service will continue to impact you going forward,” Al-Obaidly wrote, according to a copy of one of the letters seen by Bloomberg. BeIN owns the broadcasting rights for top flight English matches in the Middle East.

 

In a statement, soccer governing body FIFA said it agreed with the WTO recommendations and demanded Saudi Arabia take immediate steps “to protect legitimate media rights partners, such as BeIN, and also football itself.”

 

The ruling may also have consequences for U.S. steel and aluminum tariffs. President Donald Trump’s administration invoked an interpretation of a Cold War-era national security law and argued that the WTO cannot mediate national security disputes.

 

The Qatar-Saudi decision, though, marks the second time the WTO asserted it can rule in a trade case where one side has declared a matter of national security. The other involved a 2019 dispute between Russia and Ukraine.

 

Rift Allegations

 

BeoutQ emerged in 2017 after Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates severed diplomatic ties with Qatar. The import of BeIN devices was banned in Saudi Arabia, and a now-former royal court adviser, Saud Al-Qahtani, wrote on Twitter promising “alternative solutions” for free or a nominal price.

 

BeoutQ soon began broadcasting the same games and commentary as the Qatari broadcaster -- interspersed with political content criticizing Qatar. At one point, beoutQ was broadcast in Riyadh sports cafes, at government-sponsored events and on a giant screen on the city’s main boulevard.

 

Gulf leaders have pointed to fresh attempts to resolve the rift between Qatar and its neighbors. The Saudi-led quartet claims the Qatari government funds terrorism and interferes in their domestic affairs, allegations that Doha denies.

 

Saudi sports cafes have returned to broadcasting BeIN. BeoutQ boxes are no longer widely available, and some Saudis who bought them earlier said they no longer worked.

 

“I don’t know why those who are behind beoutQ started beoutQ, and I don’t know why they decided to stop beoutQ,”said Abdulaziz AlSwailem, chief executive of the Saudi Authority for Intellectual Property.

 

 

 

 

It's not a new development, and isn't presented as such within the Bloomberg article. Scare over - still on course for rejection.

 

I'm sure this has been said before but I wish you were more like Teller.

 

Don't think this got enough love.

[junkhead]

 

Can always rely on Bloomberg to spread Saudi's fairy tales.. no longer worked ffs The US' stance on the majority of Qatar's claims in the WTO report is also unceremoniously pro-Saudi.

 

BeIN has been widely available legally throughout the last year in KSA, as I have said previously.

 

I was under the impression that they were still banned from being shown in public places though (i.e. cafes)

 

Al-Jazeera is (apparently).

 

BeIN's channels are available (unofficially) through their official mobile/TV apps and also some other popular 3rd party (legal) app.  Apparently loads of people watch it that way in KSA. IPTV is the future after all.

[keoma]

Lots of IPTV providers rebroadcasting BEIN not named BeoutQ. I don't think Saudi will allow Bein Sports/Al Jazeera. But they can't block every illegal IPTV-provider either. No other county has been able to do that.

[Guest neesy111]

Lots of IPTV providers rebroadcasting BEIN not named BeoutQ. I don't think Saudi will allow Bein Sports/Al Jazeera. But they can't block every illegal IPTV-provider either. No other county has been able to do that.

 

Yeap, also I've purchased bein in the UK previously by just a few work arounds with PayPal etc.

[TRon]

My guess is that Saudi is not exactly innocent regarding harboring/enabling terrorism either. But that's the stance they've taken right now against Qatar. And which some countries recognize. Probably KSA end goal is making Qatar part of KSA since Qatar has alot of natural gas etc.

 

Wasn't there something that happened in september 2001 or something? 11 Saudis flew an airplane into some skyscrapers in the USA. Terrible accident.

 

The Saudis actually crack down pretty hard on terrorists, if they didn't you can bet their western collaborating regime would have been overthrown years ago by the fundamentalists.

 

They're a monarchy, I don't get your point.

 

The monarchy would have been overthrown by the terrorists if the fundamentalists were allowed free voice.

 

Do you mean that the repression of free speech in Saudi Arabia makes it harder for terrorists to organize? I'm not sure I follow... The fact of the matter is that 15 of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks was Saudi, and the Saudi played a huge part in covering up facts in the investigations that followed. Not too sure I'd call that cracking down hard on terrorists.

 

Anyway: Remember when Saudi Arabia threatened Canada on twitter with an image that is eerily similar to a 9/11 style attack?

https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-appeared-to-threaten-canada-with-a-911-style-attack-2018-8?op=1&r=US&IR=T

 

That sure was a laugh.

 

 

I do not want to go down this road because the thread is about football, but suffice to say that if the Saudi regime are backing terrorists, then we are also backing them because Saudis are considered one of our key allies in the middle east. You disagree, that's fine, take it up with Dominic Raab, we are just Newcastle fans here mate.

[Unbelievable]

 

Can always rely on Bloomberg to spread Saudi's fairy tales.. no longer worked ffs The US' stance on the majority of Qatar's claims in the WTO report is also unceremoniously pro-Saudi.

 

BeIN has been widely available legally throughout the last year in KSA, as I have said previously.

 

I was under the impression that they were still banned from being shown in public places though (i.e. cafes)

 

Al-Jazeera is (apparently).

 

BeIN's channels are available (unofficially) through their official mobile/TV apps and also some other popular 3rd party (legal) app.  Apparently loads of people watch it that way in KSA. IPTV is the future after all.

 

But do you mean it is available legally and in paid for format? I understand there are illegal streams available just like everywhere else in the world, but that Bloomberg article said "Saudi sports cafes have returned to broadcasting BeIN" by which I (perhaps wrongly) presume they are no longer running illegal streams through beoutq or other means and are using legal, paid for streaming methods, which would entail BEIN is no longer banned access from the KSA market as it is claiming..? Why even mention it otherwise?

[Guest neesy111]

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Can always rely on Bloomberg to spread Saudi's fairy tales.. no longer worked ffs The US' stance on the majority of Qatar's claims in the WTO report is also unceremoniously pro-Saudi.

 

BeIN has been widely available legally throughout the last year in KSA, as I have said previously.

 

I was under the impression that they were still banned from being shown in public places though (i.e. cafes)

 

Al-Jazeera is (apparently).

 

BeIN's channels are available (unofficially) through their official mobile/TV apps and also some other popular 3rd party (legal) app.  Apparently loads of people watch it that way in KSA. IPTV is the future after all.

 

But do you mean it is available legally and in paid for format? I understand there are illegal streams available just like everywhere else in the world, but that Bloomberg article said "Saudi sports cafes have returned to broadcasting BeIN" by which I (perhaps wrongly) presume they are no longer running illegal streams through beoutq or other means and are using legal, paid for streaming methods, which would entail BEIN is no longer banned access from the KSA market as it is claiming..? Why even mention it otherwise?

 

They'll be broadcasting Bein via unofficial means in those cafes.  There are not many economic links at all between Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

 

[Guest godzilla]

[tweet]1273351914239991809[/tweet]

 

Can always rely on Bloomberg to spread Saudi's fairy tales.. no longer worked ffs The US' stance on the majority of Qatar's claims in the WTO report is also unceremoniously pro-Saudi.

 

BeIN has been widely available legally throughout the last year in KSA, as I have said previously.

 

I was under the impression that they were still banned from being shown in public places though (i.e. cafes)

 

Al-Jazeera is (apparently).

 

BeIN's channels are available (unofficially) through their official mobile/TV apps and also some other popular 3rd party (legal) app.  Apparently loads of people watch it that way in KSA. IPTV is the future after all.

 

But do you mean it is available legally and in paid for format? I understand there are illegal streams available just like everywhere else in the world, but that Bloomberg article said "Saudi sports cafes have returned to broadcasting BeIN" by which I (perhaps wrongly) presume they are no longer running illegal streams through beoutq or other means and are using legal, paid for streaming methods, which would entail BEIN is no longer banned access from the KSA market as it is claiming..? Why even mention it otherwise?

 

They'll be broadcasting Bein via unofficial means.  There is no economic links at all between Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

 

Few pictures on twitter from Saudi showing today's games being viewed on BEIN boxes. So not sure what the score is to be honest maybe you can actually buy the BEIN boxes

[Guest neesy111]

[tweet]1273351914239991809[/tweet]

 

Can always rely on Bloomberg to spread Saudi's fairy tales.. no longer worked ffs The US' stance on the majority of Qatar's claims in the WTO report is also unceremoniously pro-Saudi.

 

BeIN has been widely available legally throughout the last year in KSA, as I have said previously.

 

I was under the impression that they were still banned from being shown in public places though (i.e. cafes)

 

Al-Jazeera is (apparently).

 

BeIN's channels are available (unofficially) through their official mobile/TV apps and also some other popular 3rd party (legal) app.  Apparently loads of people watch it that way in KSA. IPTV is the future after all.

 

But do you mean it is available legally and in paid for format? I understand there are illegal streams available just like everywhere else in the world, but that Bloomberg article said "Saudi sports cafes have returned to broadcasting BeIN" by which I (perhaps wrongly) presume they are no longer running illegal streams through beoutq or other means and are using legal, paid for streaming methods, which would entail BEIN is no longer banned access from the KSA market as it is claiming..? Why even mention it otherwise?

 

They'll be broadcasting Bein via unofficial means.  There is no economic links at all between Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

 

Few pictures on twitter from Saudi showing today's games being viewed on BEIN boxes. So not sure what the score is to be honest maybe you can actually buy the BEIN boxes

Well it'll be like people using Sky boxes and viewing cards in Spain.

 

Not allowed but hard to stop since it's done via satellite. 

 

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[junkhead]

KSA accusing Qatar of funding terrorism is laughable. Especially, considering some of MBS' predecessors' ideas for foreign policy. To his credit though, so far MBS has shown that's not a road he'll go into, he prefers his wars and guerrilla operations public.

 

KSA's "original" issue with Qatar is over the success and influence of Al-Jazeera and it's understandably biased reporting of events in the region.

[Guest neesy111]

KSA accusing Qatar of funding terrorism is laughable. Especially, considering some of MBS' predecessors' ideas for foreign policy. To his credit though, so far MBS has shown that's not a road he'll go into, he prefers his wars and guerrilla operations public.

 

KSA's "original" issue with Qatar is over the success and influence of Al-Jazeera and it's understandably biased reporting of events in the region.

 

Both countries are as bad as each other.  In a ideal world football nor the UK should not have to do business with either.

[junkhead]

 

Can always rely on Bloomberg to spread Saudi's fairy tales.. no longer worked ffs The US' stance on the majority of Qatar's claims in the WTO report is also unceremoniously pro-Saudi.

 

BeIN has been widely available legally throughout the last year in KSA, as I have said previously.

 

I was under the impression that they were still banned from being shown in public places though (i.e. cafes)

 

Al-Jazeera is (apparently).

 

BeIN's channels are available (unofficially) through their official mobile/TV apps and also some other popular 3rd party (legal) app.  Apparently loads of people watch it that way in KSA. IPTV is the future after all.

 

But do you mean it is available legally and in paid for format? I understand there are illegal streams available just like everywhere else in the world, but that Bloomberg article said "Saudi sports cafes have returned to broadcasting BeIN" by which I (perhaps wrongly) presume they are no longer running illegal streams through beoutq or other means and are using legal, paid for streaming methods, which would entail BEIN is no longer banned access from the KSA market as it is claiming..? Why even mention it otherwise?

 

Yes, according to a colleague who resides in Bahrain and often travels in the region. He said that he has a paid subscription for BeIN's channels and can watch what is essentially their official IPTV feed in Bahrain, KSA and UAE - all countries that are part of the blockade. Satellite signal is probably blocked.

 

I can confirm myself that BeIN is widely available in hotels and bars in Dubai and Manama.

 

[LV]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-16/ruling-against-saudi-clouds-prospects-for-newcastle-soccer-deal

 

I can't read it like, but presumably it's from this article..

 

Ok chill guys, from the look of Twitter Saudi cafes have been broadcasting BeIN again since late 2019. The Bloomberg article doesn’t say this has just started happening this week. Seems like it’s been happening for a while.

[LV]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-16/ruling-against-saudi-clouds-prospects-for-newcastle-soccer-deal

 

I can't read it like, but presumably it's from this article..

 

 

A World Trade Organization finding that Saudi Arabia broke intellectual-property rules when it failed to crack down on pirated Qatari television broadcasts could hurt the kingdom’s effort to buy a major U.K. soccer team, and may even have implications for U.S. tariffs.

 

Qatar, boycotted by a Saudi-led Arab alliance since 2017, brought the case against the kingdom over satellite broadcaster and streaming service beoutQ. The Saudi government denies links to beoutQ, but on Tuesday a WTO panel found the company operated under Saudi jurisdiction and retransmitted content produced by Qatar-based sports broadcaster BeIN Media Group LLC.

 

“Qatar has established that Saudi Arabia has not provided for criminal procedures and penalties to be applied to beoutQ” despite established evidence that it’s operated by people or entities under Saudi jurisdiction, the Geneva-based body said in its ruling.

 

Ali Al Kuwari, Qatar’s minister of commerce and industry, called the judgment “a resounding victory,” and Stephen Nathan, a lawyer for BeIN Media, hailed “a historic vindication of intellectual property rights.”

 

Newcastle Bid

 

Saudi officials vowed to appeal, but also said they were pleased the panel partly ruled in favor of a WTO exemption, raised by the kingdom, that permits governments to take actions to protect “essential security interests.” Riyadh argues that applies to the claim by Qatar, which it accuses of interfering in Saudi affairs.

 

“The Saudis think that they have won on every issue that matters to them,” said Daniel Crosby, legal counsel to Saudi Arabia in the case.

 

An appeal would essentially veto the ruling and block Qatar’s pursuit of redress as the WTO appellate body no longer has sufficient members to sign off on new rulings due to a Trump administration block on nominees.

 

The dispute has weighed on the pending bid by the Saudi sovereign wealth fund and other investors for Newcastle United. In April, BeIN Chief Executive Officer Yousef Al-Obaidly urged heads of English Premier League clubs to “fully interrogate” the people and money behind the deal.

 

“Not only has the potential acquirer of Newcastle United caused huge damage to your club’s and the Premier League’s commercial revenues; but the legacy of the illegal service will continue to impact you going forward,” Al-Obaidly wrote, according to a copy of one of the letters seen by Bloomberg. BeIN owns the broadcasting rights for top flight English matches in the Middle East.

 

In a statement, soccer governing body FIFA said it agreed with the WTO recommendations and demanded Saudi Arabia take immediate steps “to protect legitimate media rights partners, such as BeIN, and also football itself.”

 

The ruling may also have consequences for U.S. steel and aluminum tariffs. President Donald Trump’s administration invoked an interpretation of a Cold War-era national security law and argued that the WTO cannot mediate national security disputes.

 

The Qatar-Saudi decision, though, marks the second time the WTO asserted it can rule in a trade case where one side has declared a matter of national security. The other involved a 2019 dispute between Russia and Ukraine.

 

Rift Allegations

 

BeoutQ emerged in 2017 after Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates severed diplomatic ties with Qatar. The import of BeIN devices was banned in Saudi Arabia, and a now-former royal court adviser, Saud Al-Qahtani, wrote on Twitter promising “alternative solutions” for free or a nominal price.

 

BeoutQ soon began broadcasting the same games and commentary as the Qatari broadcaster -- interspersed with political content criticizing Qatar. At one point, beoutQ was broadcast in Riyadh sports cafes, at government-sponsored events and on a giant screen on the city’s main boulevard.

 

Gulf leaders have pointed to fresh attempts to resolve the rift between Qatar and its neighbors. The Saudi-led quartet claims the Qatari government funds terrorism and interferes in their domestic affairs, allegations that Doha denies.

 

Saudi sports cafes have returned to broadcasting BeIN. BeoutQ boxes are no longer widely available, and some Saudis who bought them earlier said they no longer worked.

 

“I don’t know why those who are behind beoutQ started beoutQ, and I don’t know why they decided to stop beoutQ,”said Abdulaziz AlSwailem, chief executive of the Saudi Authority for Intellectual Property.

 

 

 

 

It's not a new development, and isn't presented as such within the Bloomberg article. Scare over - still on course for rejection.

 

Here he is

[gdm]

Honest to fuckin god. Is it aye or naw? Make a fuckin decision premier league

[number9shirt]

The buying of Newcastle has nothing to do with this

THIS

 

The first intelligent comment in over 700 pages. [emoji122]

[relámpago blanco]

All of this bollocks will be worth it when we lift our first trophy of note for many years in 2022.

[Charlies]

All of this bollocks will be worth it when we lift our first trophy of note for many years in 2022.

 

Hope they pan to Penn in the crowd sacrificing himself.

[PatsieBusbridge]

KSA accusing Qatar of funding terrorism is laughable. Especially, considering some of MBS' predecessors' ideas for foreign policy. To his credit though, so far MBS has shown that's not a road he'll go into, he prefers his wars and guerrilla operations public.

 

KSA's "original" issue with Qatar is over the success and influence of Al-Jazeera and it's understandably biased reporting of events in the region.

 

But that's not what was said. They said extremists, not terrorists. One mans terrorists is another mans freedom fighter. One mans extremists is another mans opposition political party.

 

[nemtizz]

All of this bollocks will be worth it when we lift our first trophy of note for many years in 2022.

 

Hope they pan to Penn in the crowd sacrificing himself.

 

[junkhead]

KSA accusing Qatar of funding terrorism is laughable. Especially, considering some of MBS' predecessors' ideas for foreign policy. To his credit though, so far MBS has shown that's not a road he'll go into, he prefers his wars and guerrilla operations public.

 

KSA's "original" issue with Qatar is over the success and influence of Al-Jazeera and it's understandably biased reporting of events in the region.

 

Both countries are as bad as each other.  In a ideal world football nor the UK should not have to do business with either.

 

Simply as an observer, Qatar's not a bad country. The Al Thani family have presided over unprecedented economic growth while remaining largely impartial (until recent years) in this clusterfuck of a region. Although technically under Sharia Law, their interpretation is very lenient, especially as far as foreigners and business are concerned.

What MBS is attempting to start now - diversify the economy - Qatar began in 2000s - investing in Hollywood studios, banking and automotive industry, while turning their local state TV Al-Jazeera into the biggest media corporation in the Arabic world. As a result, they are very good in exerting influence and soft-power exercises, as the NUFC takeover proves.

 

On the other hand, although an important trade partner and military ally of the western world from the start, KSA has always been covered by the shadow of Wahhabist extremism and autocratic unpredictability. It's incredibly fascinating for me to read about the royal family - from graduates of the best universities, to people who were born in millions but choose to lead a spiritual Bedouin existence in the desert. Saudi Arabia is simply another world.

 

[HaydnNUFC]

Hope Richard Keys and Penn are executed live on beoutQ when this is all announced.

[nufcjb]

Qatar have probably overdone their accusations against SA that if the PL reject this now, would seem it was because of Qatar and we know how corrupt Qatar have been with the World Cup. Will PL want to be seen in the same way?