Wullie Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 There's literally a thread at the top of Chat about 3pm press conferences being a 15 year running joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Jesus, as if people took this seriously Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Oh, GWN wasn't joking? Wait Santa's not real wuuuuuut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Playing devils advocate a bit here, and expect to get it from all quarters for this post, but: The only info we have that the tests will be passed has come from Caulkin via Staveley. Now they should have done research etc to be confident they will pass, but they cannot guarantee this. Sheff Utd are owned by the Princes cousin. The prince can/has randomly imprisoned members of his family...could he pressure the other Prince to influence the outcome of a game? Is there any previous examples of this close an ownership of 2 clubs in the same league? Can anyone find some evidence that suggests this is allowed? Now I'll caveat the above by saying most of the noises coming from the press would suggest there have been "no red flags", but this is the same press that many on here lambast for knowing nothing. I'd like factual information that shows 2 cousins owning clubs in the same league is OK, not abuse or ramblings. I'm pretty sure the lawyers of the buyers knew all of this before advising the buyers to pay a £17 million deposit. I've already pretty much stated that in my post. However, this is a pretty unique situation. FWIW of course MBS can pressure the Sheff Utd owner into doing whatever he likes....I fail to see how this wouldn't be an issue sadly. So he can also influence the management and the players? Doesn't have to, only has to be able to influence an owner. Anyway, like I've said, the papers etc don't seem to think it's an issue. It's just, looking objectively, I fail to see how he doesn't have the ability to influence another (less powerful) prince. I'm just thinking out loud really. Hopefully if it was an issue, he'd just influence the other prince to sell Sheff Utd though Well a few things about the whole theory. He's jailed other royal members he saw as threats to his power, not quite randomly as you stated. Competing against a team 80% owned by the PIF - which he chairs but as far as I can tell doesn't deal with the day to day on anyway, that's Yasir somethingorather - is not a threat to his power. As well, let's accept the PIF is doing this as a sportswashing exercise. Turning around to jail/intimidate a cousin owner of another team in the league wouldn't be very smart. Lastly, as far as I can tell he's chair of the PIF by title but it's that Yasir fella what does most of the heavy lifting. The club consumes our daily waking lives, not his. I'd stake my life MBS is in no way going to obsess as we would if we owned it. Thats all well and good, but I don't think him "obsessing" has anything to do with it. It's an owners ability to influence another owner. Can anybody please give a reply based in fact/law that can prove he does not have the ability to influence another owner. Not stating that he is unlikely to. I have the ability to jump the curb and mow down pedestrians in my car. Should I be banned from driving? It's absolutely useless, beyond pointless, to just dream up scenarios as if just because something is possible it will happen. You have to demonstrate something is likely for it to matter. No, the rules solely relate to the ability to influence another owner. Show me where the PL have to prove it is likely? The answer is they don't. They absolutely have to apply some level of certainty jesus christ Every group rich enough to own a football club has, to some extent, the ability to influence people in other clubs. There might be a pecking order, i.e. watfords owners can't exactly bully liverpool's fenway group, but that doesn't mean it's not there in other directions. Wow Comparing unrelated companies to 2 closely related members of the same royal family ffs. It's really not comparable and even you must realise that. It's not like your royal family, you know, there's thousands of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Has HTT[/member] popped his head in today? Bit personal isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Said he would donate money if he was wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Jesus, as if people took this seriously I didn't...but I've still been working feverishly to clear my schedule by 3pm just in case! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 9 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Starting to see the forum running a bit slower now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jong24 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Anybody know what the time is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Murmur is also a really good REM album Their best album. It's brilliant. Great album. Out Of Time for me though. Omminous Life's Rich Pageant on balance. I'm arguing with myself now because Green is amazing too Reckoning Today we need Automatic For The People Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Got my bath run and the toaster next to it. I'm resolving this one way or another shortly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Got my bath run and the toaster next to it. I'm resolving this one way or another shortly. My bath is full of ice and beer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 5 minutes. SSN is on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 This 3pm wait is pointless. Reminds me of when I set up a meeting with a stripper in Mexico from the night before, and I knew she wasn't gonna show up as soon as we agreed time and place. Having said that, I went there anyway and waited for 30 minutes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Hold on to your butts... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gasman Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Got my bath run and the toaster next to it. I'm resolving this one way or another shortly. Dont forget the critical extension lead. Unless you live in poland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facundo Ferreyra Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 2 minutes until nothing happens, I can't wait! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 2 minutes until nothing happens, I can't wait! sound like my lass Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I'm dead excited, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Playing devils advocate a bit here, and expect to get it from all quarters for this post, but: The only info we have that the tests will be passed has come from Caulkin via Staveley. Now they should have done research etc to be confident they will pass, but they cannot guarantee this. Sheff Utd are owned by the Princes cousin. The prince can/has randomly imprisoned members of his family...could he pressure the other Prince to influence the outcome of a game? Is there any previous examples of this close an ownership of 2 clubs in the same league? Can anyone find some evidence that suggests this is allowed? Now I'll caveat the above by saying most of the noises coming from the press would suggest there have been "no red flags", but this is the same press that many on here lambast for knowing nothing. I'd like factual information that shows 2 cousins owning clubs in the same league is OK, not abuse or ramblings. I'm pretty sure the lawyers of the buyers knew all of this before advising the buyers to pay a £17 million deposit. I've already pretty much stated that in my post. However, this is a pretty unique situation. FWIW of course MBS can pressure the Sheff Utd owner into doing whatever he likes....I fail to see how this wouldn't be an issue sadly. So he can also influence the management and the players? Doesn't have to, only has to be able to influence an owner. Anyway, like I've said, the papers etc don't seem to think it's an issue. It's just, looking objectively, I fail to see how he doesn't have the ability to influence another (less powerful) prince. I'm just thinking out loud really. Hopefully if it was an issue, he'd just influence the other prince to sell Sheff Utd though Well a few things about the whole theory. He's jailed other royal members he saw as threats to his power, not quite randomly as you stated. Competing against a team 80% owned by the PIF - which he chairs but as far as I can tell doesn't deal with the day to day on anyway, that's Yasir somethingorather - is not a threat to his power. As well, let's accept the PIF is doing this as a sportswashing exercise. Turning around to jail/intimidate a cousin owner of another team in the league wouldn't be very smart. Lastly, as far as I can tell he's chair of the PIF by title but it's that Yasir fella what does most of the heavy lifting. The club consumes our daily waking lives, not his. I'd stake my life MBS is in no way going to obsess as we would if we owned it. Thats all well and good, but I don't think him "obsessing" has anything to do with it. It's an owners ability to influence another owner. Can anybody please give a reply based in fact/law that can prove he does not have the ability to influence another owner. Not stating that he is unlikely to. I have the ability to jump the curb and mow down pedestrians in my car. Should I be banned from driving? It's absolutely useless, beyond pointless, to just dream up scenarios as if just because something is possible it will happen. You have to demonstrate something is likely for it to matter. No, the rules solely relate to the ability to influence another owner. Show me where the PL have to prove it is likely? The answer is they don't. They absolutely have to apply some level of certainty jesus christ Every group rich enough to own a football club has, to some extent, the ability to influence people in other clubs. There might be a pecking order, i.e. watfords owners can't exactly bully liverpool's fenway group, but that doesn't mean it's not there in other directions. Wow Comparing unrelated companies to 2 closely related members of the same royal family ffs. It's really not comparable and even you must realise that. It's not like your royal family, you know, there's thousands of them. I know that, just trying to cover all bases for this going through. He has the power to imprison the other guy though, so I don't see how it could be argued he couldn't influence him. The key being the PL shouldn't (hopefully) be looking into MBS as he's not named anywhere. Unless he is named as head of PIF or something like that, but I'd hope/assume there is enough legal separation for this not to be an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Fashionably late as normal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Playing devils advocate a bit here, and expect to get it from all quarters for this post, but: The only info we have that the tests will be passed has come from Caulkin via Staveley. Now they should have done research etc to be confident they will pass, but they cannot guarantee this. Sheff Utd are owned by the Princes cousin. The prince can/has randomly imprisoned members of his family...could he pressure the other Prince to influence the outcome of a game? Is there any previous examples of this close an ownership of 2 clubs in the same league? Can anyone find some evidence that suggests this is allowed? Now I'll caveat the above by saying most of the noises coming from the press would suggest there have been "no red flags", but this is the same press that many on here lambast for knowing nothing. I'd like factual information that shows 2 cousins owning clubs in the same league is OK, not abuse or ramblings. I'm pretty sure the lawyers of the buyers knew all of this before advising the buyers to pay a £17 million deposit. I've already pretty much stated that in my post. However, this is a pretty unique situation. FWIW of course MBS can pressure the Sheff Utd owner into doing whatever he likes....I fail to see how this wouldn't be an issue sadly. So he can also influence the management and the players? Doesn't have to, only has to be able to influence an owner. Anyway, like I've said, the papers etc don't seem to think it's an issue. It's just, looking objectively, I fail to see how he doesn't have the ability to influence another (less powerful) prince. I'm just thinking out loud really. Hopefully if it was an issue, he'd just influence the other prince to sell Sheff Utd though Well a few things about the whole theory. He's jailed other royal members he saw as threats to his power, not quite randomly as you stated. Competing against a team 80% owned by the PIF - which he chairs but as far as I can tell doesn't deal with the day to day on anyway, that's Yasir somethingorather - is not a threat to his power. As well, let's accept the PIF is doing this as a sportswashing exercise. Turning around to jail/intimidate a cousin owner of another team in the league wouldn't be very smart. Lastly, as far as I can tell he's chair of the PIF by title but it's that Yasir fella what does most of the heavy lifting. The club consumes our daily waking lives, not his. I'd stake my life MBS is in no way going to obsess as we would if we owned it. Thats all well and good, but I don't think him "obsessing" has anything to do with it. It's an owners ability to influence another owner. Can anybody please give a reply based in fact/law that can prove he does not have the ability to influence another owner. Not stating that he is unlikely to. I have the ability to jump the curb and mow down pedestrians in my car. Should I be banned from driving? It's absolutely useless, beyond pointless, to just dream up scenarios as if just because something is possible it will happen. You have to demonstrate something is likely for it to matter. No, the rules solely relate to the ability to influence another owner. Show me where the PL have to prove it is likely? The answer is they don't. They absolutely have to apply some level of certainty jesus christ Every group rich enough to own a football club has, to some extent, the ability to influence people in other clubs. There might be a pecking order, i.e. watfords owners can't exactly bully liverpool's fenway group, but that doesn't mean it's not there in other directions. Wow Comparing unrelated companies to 2 closely related members of the same royal family ffs. It's really not comparable and even you must realise that. It's not like your royal family, you know, there's thousands of them. I know that, just trying to cover all bases for this going through. He has the power to imprison the other guy though, so I don't see how it could be argued he couldn't influence him. The key being the PL shouldn't (hopefully) be looking into MBS as he's not named anywhere. Unless he is named as head of PIF or something like that, but I'd hope/assume there is enough legal separation for this not to be an issue. lads, we're getting taken over in less than a minute. give ower, man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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