Taylor Swift Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Perez is completely right in his diagnosis of the problem. The CL is only interesting from the quarterfinals onwards. He's completely right. Barely anyone watches the group stages except as background TV. His solution is wrong though, because it will dilute the product. They need to fix the CL by reducing teams, or making sure that only competitive teams enter the group stages. Maybe have bigger groups, as well, so you have more big teams playing together early on in the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ketsbaia said: Dunno how true this might be but I do think Liverpool may be vulnerable - known for this romanticism, love of fans, You'll Never Walk Alone etc. It's kind of their thing. If they're stuck on 12 teams and can't get PSG, Bayern, Dortmund, Porto etc to enter, the momentum has swung the other way and it's suddenly just a glorified friendly tournament with a Chinese Super League vibe. Nah. Pretty sure it's not Liverpool. You think the owners give a shit about romanticism, fans , YNWA and stuff? If they did, they would never have signed up in the first place. These are the same people who wanted our takeover blocked. They want to see this through. It's American owned so they're at the head of the queue. City were the last to join. And they actually don't need it. Suspect Chelsea too like someone said. Arsenal and Spurs are begging to get this passed. Edited April 20, 2021 by nufcjb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Giselle said: Perez is completely right in his diagnosis of the problem. The CL is only interesting from the quarterfinals onwards. He's completely right. Barely anyone watches the group stages except as background TV. His solution is wrong though, because it will dilute the product. They need to fix the CL by reducing teams, or making sure that only competitive teams enter the group stages. Maybe have bigger groups, as well, so you have more big teams playing together early on in the season. Or scrap groups. I'd be much more likely to watch say Red Star Belgrade Liverpool if it was a knockout game, and I'd prefer to watch that than a Liverpool Juve group game. Been moving away from that approach for years though cos it's also about having more games. ^I read somewhere Liverpool, ManU and Arsenal were the ring leaders of the English teams. Edited April 20, 2021 by Inferior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Where are they getting the referees, etc from by the way? Aren’t these tied to FIFA, UEFA, the Premier League, etc? Would be funny if none of them decided to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 6 hours ago, mighty__mag said: On VAR though, we would need a replacement, because all we did for years was argue for technology, and now people just complain about it. I like it, but I dont like the ridiculous parts of it. It could still be used,but used better. If VAR kept us in the league, nobody would be complaining that particular day. The problem isn't the technology but how it is being used. Worth noting that all sports had teething issues with the introduction of technology that they worked through with time. There is no going back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I think City will withdraw if anyone. They seem to have been the most quiet of the lot and didn't even put out a statement saying they'd joined iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) Biggest part of me probably hopes that nobody bottles it; they can all fuck off and lie in the bed they've made. Would almost rather shake things up and see what comes out the other end at this point. Like Collymore says, game is already fucked and this is just a logical conclusion Edited April 20, 2021 by OpenC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I see a bit of talk about the National ban for players being harsh as they are under contract and can't do anything about it. Is there not a potential precedent or possibility that if the clubs are chucked out of Uefa/Their own national leagues due to breaching rule, the players have clearly not been consulted, could all of their contracts be null and void? They have potentially endangered the players and staff's careers here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 What an absolute shit show, it will be interesting to see what proposals come out of today's Premier league meeting Charnley will be on no camera and mute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, toontownman said: I see a bit of talk about the National ban for players being harsh as they are under contract and can't do anything about it. Is there not a potential precedent or possibility that if the clubs are chucked out of Uefa/Their own national leagues due to breaching rule, the players have clearly not been consulted, could all of their contracts be null and void? They have potentially endangered the players and staff's careers here. In Spain, the contracts are held by the league IIRC so they could null/void them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, toontownman said: I see a bit of talk about the National ban for players being harsh as they are under contract and can't do anything about it. Is there not a potential precedent or possibility that if the clubs are chucked out of Uefa/Their own national leagues due to breaching rule, the players have clearly not been consulted, could all of their contracts be null and void? They have potentially endangered the players and staff's careers here. Some lawyer did post common stuff in contracts that suggests this would be a breach of players' contracts by clubs. So don't know exactly what that would mean - maybe that they can force moves away easier if they want out of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, OpenC said: Biggest part of me probably hopes that nobody bottles it; they can all fuck off and lie in the bed they've made. Would almost rather shake things up and see what comes out the other end at this point. Like Collymore says, game is already fucked and this is just a logical conclusion I'm at the stage of wanting them to go through with it, let it be a damp squib and we continue without. One or two drop outs that undermine it without stopping it going ahead would be lovely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 What's with all the negativity? They've said they're doing it to save football.... So that's that put to bed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 This lot are saying people are losing interest in football - where's that coming from? Seems like it's bigger than ever - by losing interest to they just mean a slowdown in growth (of revenue). Maybe some tv deals have stalled but that's after huge rises, and maybe too many games - surely it's still growth from a few years ago. And why do we need continuous relentless growth (okay I know). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 It’s incredible how toxic this new ‘brand’ is already. What sponsors are going to go anywhere near it knowing that as a result they could lose a significant amount of custom by association? The value of being a key partner would have plummeted massively in just 36 hours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, Sima said: It’s incredible how toxic this new ‘brand’ is already. What sponsors are going to go anywhere near it knowing that as a result they could lose a significant amount of custom by association? The value of being a key partner would have plummeted massively in just 36 hours. Well that's true. But legacy fans need to keep the pressure on and make it clear to thses partners that their participation will hurt their bottom line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Adam said: Perez is one of the biggest cunts in all of football, how anyone still listens to him is beyond me. I'm hoping this finally fucks him but no doubt he'll make Real a shitload of money and be around for ever. He literally said "we're going to save football" Can't fail to notice that the ESL was announced just a few days after he was reelected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaymag Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, toontownman said: I see a bit of talk about the National ban for players being harsh as they are under contract and can't do anything about it. Is there not a potential precedent or possibility that if the clubs are chucked out of Uefa/Their own national leagues due to breaching rule, the players have clearly not been consulted, could all of their contracts be null and void? They have potentially endangered the players and staff's careers here. Or maybe the players are grown men and can put in transfer requests etc, negotiate exit from contracts, stuff like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, gazza ladra said: Well that's true. But legacy fans need to keep the pressure on and make it clear to thses partners that their participation will hurt their bottom line. Will they care if they gain 5 new plastic worldwide fans for every 1 lost legacy fan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 39 minutes ago, Sima said: It’s incredible how toxic this new ‘brand’ is already. What sponsors are going to go anywhere near it knowing that as a result they could lose a significant amount of custom by association? The value of being a key partner would have plummeted massively in just 36 hours. Seems like a slam dunk for brand opposition Coke : "Proud sponsors of the Super League." Pepsi: "We stand with the fans." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, thomas said: Seems like a slam dunk for brand opposition Coke : "Proud sponsors of the Super League." Pepsi: "We stand with the fans." Similar to how Sony shit all over Microsoft around the Xbox One / PS4 reveal. Microsoft - We're inplementing DRM and every game will be linked electronically to the console. Sony - Trade used games how you want. Their branding was literally 'For the Players'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 The PL should just say the first three if the six to drop out from the ESL won't be deducted 20 points and watch the backstabbing begin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, Beren said: The PL should just say the first three if the six to drop out from the ESL won't be deducted 20 points and watch the backstabbing begin. Although I want this to happen so it can fail and the domestic league can be rid of these behemoths. And Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) Our participation was agreed by Bartomeu - one of the very last acts of his presidency actually - I want to believe that Laporta is just quietly following along (nobody from the club has said anything besides the press release stating we were founders) until he sees what side of the bread is buttered. For now I will enjoy Florentino being the world's supervillain for a few days. Edited April 20, 2021 by Village Idiot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, thomas said: Seems like a slam dunk for brand opposition Coke : "Proud sponsors of the Super League." Pepsi: "We stand with the fans." Yeah, this is very true. No brand is going to want to be associated with this, especially given how much brands are displaying their 'progressiveness' these days. Either these teams turn around public opinion on this or it's a complete non-starter because brands won't want to be associated with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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