Ikon Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Arbitration hasn't even started yet.. #wait Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Replying in here as I didn't want to upset the optimism: Undoubtedly the club could burn for me if the takeover doesn’t go through. This is a good point made by Keith though, I think we have to be extremely confident in the legal argument club has. Has he never lost a case? I'm sure he gets paid either way and taking a lump sum from Ashley isn't going to damage his reputation. The fat cunt that didn't do due diligence when buying the club in the first place. I imagine his lawyers in the Keegan case were confident also. Has anybody asked the PL's lawyers how confident they are? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 They're confident too. But I guess we only hear what we want to hear. At least now we know it is not straight forward as some made it out to be at the back end of last year. Now, less the wait and soon and imminent wordings in some people's post. Its more 'silence is a good thing, they're cracking on with the case' type of posts. Does not help to build any confidence in me one bit. This ain't on. I'll happily raise my white flag in defeat and shame if it does happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 A lot of talk about confidence. There’s been confidence of some sort for nearly 12 months now. Still no signs whatsoever that this deal is even remotely close. What’s the new #wait deadline now January and February have both passed without action? Still March? Or the end of the season? MA ‘hands off’ from the club and concentrating on other business, Bruce being allowed to sleepwalk into a relegation... barely even sounds like a deal is still in the pipeline at all, to be honest. If it was, I doubt everyone would be sat around watching this relegation play out. Ashley is supposedly desperate for this £300m deal and spending a fortune on the best legal brains in the footballing world. Yet he doesn’t want to sack the manager due to the minimal compensation due. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Ashley probably has a stack of emails from managers and players agents saying they won’t sign for us whilst the takeover situation is unresolved. In the event of us going down Ashley will wave these as the courts and say he couldn’t sack Bruce and couldn’t sign the players. He tried. Either the courts will a) block our relegation or b) compensate Ashley so much that he will sell the club at a pittance. In event a) PIF can then buy the club. In event b), Staveley and Reubens and some second rate investors will buy the club and PIF will buy out investors upon takeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Ashley probably has a stack of emails from managers and players agents saying they won’t sign for us whilst the takeover situation is unresolved. In the event of us going down Ashley will wave these as the courts and say he couldn’t sack Bruce and couldn’t sign the players. He tried. Either the courts will a) block our relegation or b) compensate Ashley so much that he will sell the club at a pittance. In event a) PIF can then buy the club. In event b), Staveley and Reubens and some second rate investors will buy the club and PIF will buy out investors upon takeover. You keep posting this. It's absolute fairy-tale nonsense. They're not going to block our relegation ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 In which case they will have to pay for our relegation. Whatever happens Ashley wins. And this time round the club will win with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 In which case they will have to pay for our relegation. Whatever happens Ashley wins. And this time round the club will win with him. I mean, the most likely scenario is that he just doesn't win the case at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Liam Kennedy has followed Caulkin down the line of Journalists being duped by the people trying to buy the club. "End of February," is what we were told. More deadlines than PPI. Its absolute bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 In which case they will have to pay for our relegation. Whatever happens Ashley wins. And this time round the club will win with him. I must have missed the part where they forced us to not give Rafa a new contract and instead employ the guy with one of the worst managerial records in the history of English football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamish Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Ashley probably has a stack of emails from managers and players agents saying they won’t sign for us whilst the takeover situation is unresolved. In the event of us going down Ashley will wave these as the courts and say he couldn’t sack Bruce and couldn’t sign the players. He tried. Either the courts will a) block our relegation or b) compensate Ashley so much that he will sell the club at a pittance. In event a) PIF can then buy the club. In event b), Staveley and Reubens and some second rate investors will buy the club and PIF will buy out investors upon takeover. ;D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Aye, our relegation isn’t getting blocked but a compensation case doesn’t seem beyond the realms of possibility. A dream scenario would be for the takeover to get signed off and then Mike to ask the PL for £900 million because it affected his House of Frazer shares and cheapened the Donnay name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirtleyMag Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 If Ashley got 300 mil in compensation he would probably just let us rot as a championship team knowing he’s already got his money from us and still being able to take the p*as out of us. Alternatively, he might gamble on getting us back up and the race to 17th place starts again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stal Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 You have a very unique style of writing manorpark I'd love to know if he talks like he types. With air quotes over certain words? Not taking the piss, it's good to have a distinctive style. I can pretty much tell a lot of you by writing style. Please no tests or follow up questions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 In which case they will have to pay for our relegation. Whatever happens Ashley wins. And this time round the club will win with him. I must have missed the part where they forced us to not give Rafa a new contract and instead employ the guy with one of the worst managerial records in the history of English football. Rafa has no relevance to events that occurred after he left. Ashley had 12 months ago got himself into a position where he could sell the club for the price he wanted. That’s the objective truth. If Ashley can prove that managers and players turned us down in the past 12 months because of takeover uncertainty, he’s won. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Appreciate people have different views on whether we’d win a court case against the PL (factoring out relegation for a sec) or whether Ashley would just pocket the money those are all fair views. But if like me you believe that the PL acted illegally and will eventually lose in the courts if we don’t get the PIF takeover then rest assured that in being relegated we will win and the PL and its clubs will lose massively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 James man, go back to sleep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Later perhaps but I haven’t seen a single constructive post as to why relegation won’t be worse for the PL than it will be for us (assuming the PL acted unlawfully, and Ashley would sell at reduced value if he receives a to. Of compo) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 This idea that Ashley is a gambler and likes to take risks is a bit bollocks really, he likes to run things as cheaply as possible by spending as little as possible in the process, Ashley wants this takeover to go through so he gets paid and no other reason, his "gamble" is that if the takeover doesn't happen he can get some compensation. Bruce is still in a job because we are 17th and 3 points clear and it will cost £4 million to get rid of him not to mention the cost of the new guy. If Bruce offered to walk today with no payoff he'd be gone with a caretaker employed tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 This idea that Ashley is a gambler and likes to take risks is a bit bollocks really, he likes to run things as cheaply as possible by spending as little as possible in the process, Ashley wants this takeover to go through so he gets paid and no other reason, his "gamble" is that if the takeover doesn't happen he can get some compensation. Bruce is still in a job because we are 17th and 3 points clear and it will cost £4 million to get rid of him not to mention the cost of the new guy. If Bruce offered to walk today with no payoff he'd be gone with a caretaker employed tomorrow. You’re analysis falls short when you look at the fact he’s likely to lose half the value of the club and any possible takeover in the event of relegation. The two threads have constant daily updates when fuck all has happened of any note for a good few weeks (if not months). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Ashley probably has a stack of emails from managers and players agents saying they won’t sign for us whilst the takeover situation is unresolved. In the event of us going down Ashley will wave these as the courts and say he couldn’t sack Bruce and couldn’t sign the players. He tried. Either the courts will a) block our relegation or b) compensate Ashley so much that he will sell the club at a pittance. In event a) PIF can then buy the club. In event b), Staveley and Reubens and some second rate investors will buy the club and PIF will buy out investors upon takeover. Never go full James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Appreciate people have different views on whether we’d win a court case against the PL (factoring out relegation for a sec) or whether Ashley would just pocket the money those are all fair views. But if like me you believe that the PL acted illegally and will eventually lose in the courts if we don’t get the PIF takeover then rest assured that in being relegated we will win and the PL and its clubs will lose massively. I genuinely have no clue what your angle is. How important to the PL do you think we are? They've already proven that they don't give a shit about us or anyone else who isn't in their 'Big 6' category. In what way do you think the PL and the other clubs lose massively if we get relegated? Also, your idea that you can somehow prove that people didn't take the job because of the takeover is fanciful stuff. Even then, it is in no way the PL's fault if we get relegated. It is 100% down to Ashley. No one else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Another day in paradise I see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Later perhaps but I haven’t seen a single constructive post as to why relegation won’t be worse for the PL than it will be for us (assuming the PL acted unlawfully, and Ashley would sell at reduced value if he receives a to. Of compo) We're a club who have and will continue to flirt with relegation in the coming seasons, providing we stay up. We don't compete for trophies and we have virtually no household names, certainly none that will enhance 'the product' as the Premier League see it. We will pull in a bigger viewership than say Watford, but that's about all we offer - and it's hardly something the Premier League will be shitting their pants over. On the other hand, we lose our Premier League status, there's no telling how long it'll take us to recover, especially as it looks like Mike will be here for the foreseeable and has lost any remaining interest, by all accounts. If the Premier League were that fussed about our existence they'd have most likely waved through the takeover. I think you're absolutely deluded if you think relegation would be a bigger loss to the Premier League than it would be to us. It isn't even a debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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