Dr Jinx Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 45 minutes ago, Collage said: What’s annoying is people who think they KNOW what will happen and try to convince others. Nobody knows. Not entirely true. We know enough to know it's either going to go for us or against us. And we know by what mechanisms each path will be achieved. It's all on the judges ruling regarding jurisdiction in the CAT case. If that argument is being submitted on the 11th June, we should hopefully have an answer by July. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: Not entirely true. We know enough to know it's either going to go for us or against us. And we know by what mechanisms each path will be achieved. It's all on the judges ruling regarding jurisdiction in the CAT case. If that argument is being submitted on the 11th June, we should hopefully have an answer by July. If you have an understanding about law you’re more qualified to predict what the outcome should be but nobody can claim to know whether or not we’ll get a change of ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 2 hours ago, cubaricho said: Would love for you to try it out one day dude. (do I need to ps this with the fact that I still believe the takeover goes through? wouldn’t want to be too negative). 365 days of the year, every year, but I think you must know that already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Im optimistic itll get done. We have a owner willing to sell and a consortium willing to buy. Even if the legal shit proves the PL were above board and the consortium deal falls apart - we still have a owner willing to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, gdm said: How are people not utterly sick of all this now? That tweet is also assuming that the PL won't simply settle if their bid to have CAT stopped is unsuccessful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Plenty time to save for our 2025 season tickets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veriaqa Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Shearergol said: Who was it on here who told me the CAT wouldn't take long? Me me me! From the CAT site: 6 to 9 months usually for a cese to be completed. Ashley filed the case in May, so the earliest the case could be completed is November the latest is Februari 2022. It match the tweet. But.... The British legal system is bent, the PL undoubtly have the judges in their pocket. No hope for NUFC. Repeat after me... "Ashley is here forever" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, gdm said: How are people not utterly sick of all this now? Over on the optimism thread, it will 99.9% be fast tracked? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 39 minutes ago, Collage said: If you have an understanding about law you’re more qualified to predict what the outcome should be but nobody can claim to know whether or not we’ll get a change of ownership. I absolutely agree, it's why I think those who are just waiting, expecting it to happen will be devastated if things go the other way, which they very easily could. The CAT rules have a provision for challenging jurisdiction, so I'd be interested to know how many times this has happened and how many times its been successful. Either way it's going to to be a very slow month or two for news regarding this so this thread and the other is going to become a quite toxic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Having to wait for July already means its to late for next season and hasn't been fast tracked. I know it's been said a million times but if this was a top 6 club any issues with ownership would be sorted long before now, the Ruben's could have been puppet owners using Saudi cash or some deal like that, it just seems like amateur hour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: Over on the optimism thread, it will 99.9% be fast tracked? That's actually not what we want. One of the reasons of bringing about an expedited CAT case was for disclosure and evidence that they could use in the arbitration case and to put them under massive pressure. It suits the PL to have the arbitration go first as it's all behind closed doors. Plus it's also the case they are more likely to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Ben said: Having to wait for July already means its to late for next season and hasn't been fast tracked. I know it's been said a million times but if this was a top 6 club any issues with ownership would be sorted long before now, the Ruben's could have been puppet owners using Saudi cash or some deal like that, it just seems like amateur hour. Undoubtedly the Man City ownership model has one extra company set up to differentiate it from what is basically their sovereign wealth fund. Is Al Nahyan not a potential shadow director of City, or for that matter did Mansour even sit the O&D test. The PL test should supposedly be applied to current owners every season. Along with proving separation I’m quite sure De Marco will be using other ownership examples to show how unreasonable and inconsistent the PL’s approach to shadow directorship has been in this takeover. Edited May 27, 2021 by Whitley mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurhamMag Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 One question all Newcastle fans should ask themselves when it comes to the takeover is this.. If the EPL are as confident as some of the Anti Takeover press seem to indicate then why are they fighting hard to get the CAT case thrown out and asking for extensions to deadlines.. If there that confident they would be like "Ok bring it on" The CAT case will be crucial and when disclosure is finalised then its going to open a rather large can of worms within the EPL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 24 minutes ago, DurhamMag said: One question all Newcastle fans should ask themselves when it comes to the takeover is this.. If the EPL are as confident as some of the Anti Takeover press seem to indicate then why are they fighting hard to get the CAT case thrown out and asking for extensions to deadlines.. If there that confident they would be like "Ok bring it on" The CAT case will be crucial and when disclosure is finalised then its going to open a rather large can of worms within the EPL Exactly their own rule book told them to reject it, yet they felt compelled to offer arbitration out of the goodness of their heart. They didn’t reject it because they would have been exposed under a court of appeal by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 25 minutes ago, DurhamMag said: One question all Newcastle fans should ask themselves when it comes to the takeover is this.. If the EPL are as confident as some of the Anti Takeover press seem to indicate then why are they fighting hard to get the CAT case thrown out and asking for extensions to deadlines.. If there that confident they would be like "Ok bring it on" The CAT case will be crucial and when disclosure is finalised then its going to open a rather large can of worms within the EPL That’s not really how it works at all. Getting the case thrown out before it even starts is ideal. They don’t have to go through any court case at all. Even if they are 95% certain they’ll win, getting the case thrown out removes the 5% possibility of losing. Nobody can go into a court case being 100% certain they’ll win. So it’s fairly straightforward to want to challenge it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Resource wise too, why pour money and man power into a protracted legal battle, when you have even a small opportunity to have the case thrown out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 4 hours ago, mighty__mag said: Over on the optimism thread, it will 99.9% be fast tracked? For goodness sake, let's change the title of the "Optimism Thread" to the "Realism Thread", to accurately reflect the truth. It will not be long now until you all realise the truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, manorpark said: For goodness sake, let's change the title of the "Optimism Thread" to the "Realism Thread", to accurately reflect the truth. It will not be long now until you all realise the truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Whichever takeover thread you go into, either this or the positive one, it's actually discussing the same topics and points over and over and over again. Just keep going in circles. If there is a small development, there'd be arguments popping up all over the thread and usually involves the same people and topics. Absolutely tiresome. Glad the Euros will be here soon. Think Copa America would be nice too. If this takeover happens, it happens and I'd gladly be surprised about it. Not going to follow all the bits and pieces anymore. Invested a lot of time and energy over the past year doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 3 hours ago, DurhamMag said: One question all Newcastle fans should ask themselves when it comes to the takeover is this.. If the EPL are as confident as some of the Anti Takeover press seem to indicate then why are they fighting hard to get the CAT case thrown out and asking for extensions to deadlines.. If there that confident they would be like "Ok bring it on" The CAT case will be crucial and when disclosure is finalised then its going to open a rather large can of worms within the EPL You don't seriously need that explaining to you, do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 46 minutes ago, nufcjb said: Whichever takeover thread you go into, either this or the positive one, it's actually discussing the same topics and points over and over and over again. Just keep going in circles. If there is a small development, there'd be arguments popping up all over the thread and usually involves the same people and topics. Absolutely tiresome. Glad the Euros will be here soon. Think Copa America would be nice too. If this takeover happens, it happens and I'd gladly be surprised about it. Not going to follow all the bits and pieces anymore. Invested a lot of time and energy over the past year doing that. I say there should be a 3rd thread "Verified takeover news only" It would be empty but you know... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 29 minutes ago, Consortium of one said: I say there should be a 3rd thread "Verified takeover news only" It would be empty but you know... Would it? The arbitration hearing date has been verified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Everyone has an opinion, here's another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 I recently deleted Twitter to get away from cunts like Edwards. Is nothing sacred? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 The problem is, it's in no one's interests outside of Newcastle for the Saudi takeover to go through. You can understand why the PL would be hoping the courts would support them. It's NUFC against the rest of England in a way, and the PL is representing the rest of England. I think the case would have to be iron clad to persuade a judge to go against the PL. Luke knows this and he's enjoying it immensely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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