The Prophet Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 It seems pretty cut and dry like. KSA and Qatar come to an agreement on piracy and pretty much a day later the take over goes through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Thinking back to that time, worrying about delayed cases and what may come in January and majority of us pretty much accepting another relegation and then it just seemed to happen over night. Incredible turn of events. Like some have said if I could pick and choose owners I would want some that did not have “links” with such a notorious regime. However, the sale went through and we can enjoy our club again, I’m sure many of the opposition fans wouldn’t be so outspoken if it were their club and to be fair we would probably be a bit more outspoken if another club were in our position ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, The Prophet said: It seems pretty cut and dry like. KSA and Qatar come to an agreement on piracy and pretty much a day later the take over goes through. I think it was a bit of both. PL knew that they would be shown up in court and wanted to settle it before it got that far. I think they were hiding behind the piracy issue and, in my mind, have a conversation saying that if they settled the piracy dispute then they'd wave it through. PL could claim the piracy issue cleared the way for allowing it and it never actually got to court and they lobbying stays secret. I hope it all comes out eventually though. The good, the bad and the corrupt from all concerned in the deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sunak-saudi-mohammed-khashoggi-g20-b2225362.html Sunak steers clear of journalist’s murder in talks with Saudi prince. so its only nufc fans that need chastising and must head the moral crusade against the saudi regime? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 18 hours ago, ponsaelius said: Good post. Wahhabism is the most destructive of ideologies and it is birthed and spread by the Saudi state. Enforcing it both in terms of ideology and laws is key to allowing the dictatorship to retain control over the populace. PIF is undisputably the direct investment arm of the state - with the dual purpose of diversifying their economy away from oil and gaining soft power globally. The idea that some kind of holistic cross-pollination of ideas through PIF's investment in global capitalism will lead to advances in KSA society is fanciful in the extreme. It is by design far more likely to tighten the regime's grip on power and further entrench the status quo. It is in most NUFC fans interests to turn a blind eye to the above because lets honest the last thing any of us want to do is 'scare' away such investment in something we love. My way of rationalising it is a combination of fully appreciating the involvement of those owners directly involved in running the club (Staveley, RB, even PIF employees) - and convincing myself there is actually little we can do as individuals to stop the cold hand of investment in a global market (if it wasn't us - there's no doubt it would be somebody else). I always wonder about this when fans come up with impressive knowledge about a virulent strain of Islam which is known as Wahabbism. It's a form of fundamentalist religion which has absolutely no future in the modern world, and despite what you say, is already creaking. That's why after centuries women are now allowed to drive in the country. I don't see how SA can avoid moving with modern times no matter how reluctantly. If they really just wanted to keep their population under straitjackets, they would just allow nothing to come in from the outside at all, including football. Why would you invest in a western football club where you will be showing games attended by females and LGBTQ community? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 53 minutes ago, huss9 said: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sunak-saudi-mohammed-khashoggi-g20-b2225362.html Sunak steers clear of journalist’s murder in talks with Saudi prince. so its only nufc fans that need chastising and must head the moral crusade against the saudi regime? Surely the fact its been one of the biggest focuses so far in reports of their meeting means he is being scrutinised for it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, wormy said: Surely the fact its been one of the biggest focuses so far in reports of their meeting means he is being scrutinised for it? its mentioned. but then thats it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 20 hours ago, Barnes23 said: Depends on if you feel it's reasonable to level claims of human rights abuses at the door of our owners specifically rather than the Saudi state itself. The framing of that statement on his part is deliberately provocative and misleading in that respect, I would say. "Our owners" and the Saudi state are the same thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 2 hours ago, huss9 said: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sunak-saudi-mohammed-khashoggi-g20-b2225362.html Sunak steers clear of journalist’s murder in talks with Saudi prince. so its only nufc fans that need chastising and must head the moral crusade against the saudi regime? Aye everybody on here loves the Tories iirc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 21 hours ago, The Prophet said: I think you'd have to be pretty blinkered to not recognise PIF as an integral part of the Saudi state like. Yep. We should acknowledge that PIF is Saudi. I'm fine with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63671947 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickyprickles Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 The Teflon Don. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, LFEE said: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63671947 FFP immunity next Edited November 18, 2022 by Slim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 2 hours ago, LFEE said: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63671947 Yuk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 On 16/11/2022 at 11:11, huss9 said: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sunak-saudi-mohammed-khashoggi-g20-b2225362.html Sunak steers clear of journalist’s murder in talks with Saudi prince. so its only nufc fans that need chastising and must head the moral crusade against the saudi regime? It's literally the headline of the article you're quoting, and the first paragraph. What more can they do when they aren't interviewing Sunak, but simply reporting on his meeting with MBS? They can't grill him about this, they weren't even speaking to him. That said, there are a lot of horrific double standards in journalism over Saudi stuff regarding how we're looked at versus others, but this isn't it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Gregory Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Hi all, I'm currently doing my university dissertation on fan reactions to last year's takeover and particularly attitudes to fan protests, KSA, Qatar WC etc. and would love to hear from anyone who'd be willing to have a chat about it. If you're interested, feel free to give me a direct message. Cheers, Louis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Looking back, one could say that the takeover was inevitable. The vast amount of money in PIF was always going to be a weight hanging over a lot of heads. I mean, that's the way world works unfortunately. Money always gets what it wants; if not immediately then in the very near future. Money beats popular opinion. Money beats common sense. Money beats justice and on and on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 6 hours ago, Consortium of one said: Looking back, one could say that the takeover was inevitable. The vast amount of money in PIF was always going to be a weight hanging over a lot of heads. I mean, that's the way world works unfortunately. Money always gets what it wants; if not immediately then in the very near future. Money beats popular opinion. Money beats common sense. Money beats justice and on and on. This. Its better us than anybody else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 A thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Extremely grim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 I fucking hate our Saudi FC away kit. It's embarrassing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, Donut said: I fucking hate our Saudi FC away kit. It's embarrassing. I think it's our best kit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 32 minutes ago, Donut said: I fucking hate our Saudi FC away kit. It's embarrassing. prepare yourself for Wembley then... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 We're surely not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Just now, Rich said: We're surely not? Think he means the fans wearing it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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