Eddie Howe

[Happinesstan]

11 hours ago, Awaymag said:

Wow, 24 hours ago and Howe was god like.  One performance later and people start to question his philosophy and approach.   Tough Crowd.  I wasn't expecting a win today and I expect none in the next 3.   If I was Howe, I would go with

 

Dubs

Manquillo, Shar, Lascelles, Ferdandez, Lewis

Fraser, Hayden, Shelvey, Joelinton

Wilson,

 

I would also have Gayle start a game and rest Wilson 

 

Willock, St Max brought on as subs if we are drawing or need to get a goal back.

 

Problem Howe has is Lascelles is crap but is also the captain.  Would be a brave man to drop the captain so soon but if he does then go back to back 4.

 

 

 

I think it's more his adaptability that is in question. Sure e has an  attractive philosophy, but if you don't have the personnel you need to be able to do something else. you might make a mean apple pie, but if life gives you lemons...

[KaKa]

25 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

I think it's more his adaptability that is in question. Sure e has an  attractive philosophy, but if you don't have the personnel you need to be able to do something else. you might make a mean apple pie, but if life gives you lemons...

 

The thing is though, we've seen this team setup to be defensive and we hadn't won a single game this season with that approach.

 

Far more likely to survive if they continue to drill the team on using the ball better and being more confident going forward as ultimately that should pay off against the teams we should be beating.

 

 

Edited December 13, 2021 by KaKa

[tom1988]

For me, the worst part about yesterday was the damage to the goal difference. Once that 2nd goal went in we should have changed our approach. At that point, despite how 'even' the match appeared the last thing we needed was further damage to our already shite GD. 

 

Looking at our next few fixtures I think he'd be better off taking the caution is the better part of valor approach. If we're going to lose, which, judging by yesterday's capitulation, seems highly bloody likely, then losing 1-0 is infinitely better than losing 4/5/6-0/1. 

 

I'm all for playing it his way until the tide turns and our defence goes AWOL again at which point it really needs to be damage limitation. 

 

End of the season a few goals here and there could make all the difference. 

[Happinesstan]

1 hour ago, KaKa said:

 

The thing is though, we've seen this team setup to be defensive and we hadn't won a single game this season with that approach.

 

Far more likely to survive if they continue to drill the team on using the ball better and being more confident going forward as ultimately that should pay off against the teams we should be beating.

 

 

 

When? When did we see this team set up with a plan?

[Away Toon]

Top managers need to be flexible and adaptable and find solutions. Howe wasn't when he was at Bournemouth and so far there is no sign that he will be here. 

[LV]

Bit early for all this lark isn’t it? 
 

He’s had a handful of games to turn around a transatlantic supertanker of absolute shite. 

[clintdempsey]

For all this talk of GD a team hasn’t been relegated because of that since 07/08 when Reading went down right? There is a case for using these coming games as a free hit for Howe and his staff to try and get us playing again regardless of results. That could make the difference after this hellish run of games when the opponents will be much easier on paper. 

[Raconteur]

3 minutes ago, Away Toon said:

Top managers need to be flexible and adaptable and find solutions. Howe wasn't when he was at Bournemouth and so far there is no sign that he will be here. 

 

Don’t know about that - we’ve shifted players, formation and tactics in his five (?) games. He’s changed formation in-game and tried different players in a variety of roles. Is that not flexible and adaptable?

 

The problem is that no matter what formation we play, there are at least three glaring holes where we have to play substandard players, or players out of position…

[The Prophet]

I think we're still trying to find the correct balance between defence and attack. For me, after Brentford, we've gone into our shells a bit, sat a bit deeper and generally tried to be more compact. While that is important, we've sometimes been toothless going forward, particularly against Arsenal and Leicester.

 

Of course it hasn't helped that our main man in transition has been incredibly frustrating, but Howe is still tweaking and trying to find the correct approach. Given he inherited a squad with poor fitness, that did no pressing or any kind of tactical drills, its understandable.

[KaKa]

21 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

When? When did we see this team set up with a plan?

 

Well, the previous approach has mostly been sitting in deep. If you're saying that it was done without any proper organisation or sense of how to counter from that setup, then that's fair enough.

 

Ultimately though, I think this team needs more work continuing to work on being more effective with the ball, and playing the way Howe wants to, as that will be better for us when we go up against more beatable teams.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Actually looks to me like he is working on the defensive shape and structure first. If anything, that’s where you can see differences. 
 

Under Bruce we weren’t really ‘defensive’ in the sense that a manager had a plan for how to defend and structure the team. It was just negativity plus desperation. 

[Pilko]

2 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Actually looks to me like he is working on the defensive shape and structure first. If anything, that’s where you can see differences. 

 

He's picking fullbacks in their correct positions which is a start, but playing Clark/Lascelles ahead of Fernandez and also the insistence on the Shelvey-Willock 2 in midfield is leaving us horribly exposed. Not so sure I can see this work taking shape just yet.

 

Feel like we see so many managers go into bottom half teams and immediately make a noticeable positive impact and whilst Howe is clearly doing more behind the scenes and is good in front of the cameras, I've not seen it yet at all. Appreciate the comparison is maybe unfair as we're talking about 14 years of neglect versus maybe a few months of shit performances at another club, but I was underwhelmed when he was appointed and that hasn't changed any for me yet.

[HaydnNUFC]

This metric is both a positive and a negative. One one side it's Howe's effect and getting us further up the pitch. The negative(s) is that we're having that many touches in the box and not fashioning anything clear cut and that the opposition only needed 15 touches in the box to score 4 against us.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2021 by HaydnNUFC

[80]

People need to understand we have a shit squad who have no right to remain in the Premier League as it stands. This isn't a manager with an underperforming team, it's a disjointed, incoherent outfit by nature. January is the only hope of them staying up. Everything before that is just mood music. Might as well make the music sweet rather than sour shit in the mean time.

[Heron]

6 hours ago, HaydnNUFC said:

This metric is both a positive and a negative. One one side it's Howe's effect and getting us further up the pitch. The negative(s) is that we're having that many touches in the box and not fashioning anything clear cut and that the opposition only needed 15 touches in the box to score 4 against us.

 

 

 

 

 

About 30 were probably ASM... 

 

Make of that what you will too.

 

 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Heron

[Kanji]

New owners. New manager. Same old NO just manic as ever. 

[Hanshithispantz]

9 hours ago, 80 said:

People need to understand we have a shit squad who have no right to remain in the Premier League as it stands. This isn't a manager with an underperforming team, it's a disjointed, incoherent outfit by nature. January is the only hope of them staying up. Everything before that is just mood music. Might as well make the music sweet rather than sour shit in the mean time.

Well yeah but he's making a shit squad even worse with some weird line-up choices. I mean you see people on here before every game pointing to where he's going wrong and pretty much every time they've been right. It's not rocket science.

 

"Why has he picked Darlow and why are we playing with no fullbacks?" - Our wingers in defence and Darlow are at fault for us conceding 3 goals.

 

"Why has he picked Clark ahead of Fernandez?" - Clark gets sent off after 10 minutes, Fernandez comes on and looks great.

 

"Why are we playing Willock in a midfield 2?" - Every week and Willock still hasn't put a half decent performance in.

 

To a point you can blame the squad, or you can blame the other backroom staff for the transition period etc, it's just that seeing it real time he seems very slow to react to issues if he even sees them at all.

 

This isn't some OTT reaction and I don't want Howe out. I think he's fucked up and we now need to save ourselves in January because of it but I'm more than willing to let him do that. 

[Conjo]

31 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Well yeah but he's making a shit squad even worse with some weird line-up choices. I mean you see people on here before every game pointing to where he's going wrong and pretty much every time they've been right. It's not rocket science.

 

"Why has he picked Darlow and why are we playing with no fullbacks?" - Our wingers in defence and Darlow are at fault for us conceding 3 goals.

 

"Why has he picked Clark ahead of Fernandez?" - Clark gets sent off after 10 minutes, Fernandez comes on and looks great.

 

"Why are we playing Willock in a midfield 2?" - Every week and Willock still hasn't put a half decent performance in.

 

To a point you can blame the squad, or you can blame the other backroom staff for the transition period etc, it's just that seeing it real time he seems very slow to react to issues if he even sees them at all.

 

This isn't some OTT reaction and I don't want Howe out. I think he's fucked up and we now need to save ourselves in January because of it but I'm more than willing to let him do that. 

 

I agree with the points you made, but in fairness you should also point out that Howe is now playing Dub, Manquillo & Lewis. He also didn't put Clark back in the side after his suspension and Almiron has come in for Fraser.

 

While the consensus on here is that Willock needs to be utilized different or replaced with Hayden, and that Fernandes should play ahead of Lascelles, it's easy to make arguments for why he persists with them too as opposed to if he had put Darlow, Ritchie, Krafth, Fraser or Clark back in the starting line up.

 

[Hanshithispantz]

7 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

I agree with the points you made, but in fairness you should also point out that Howe is now playing Dub, Manquillo & Lewis. He also didn't put Clark back in the side after his suspension and Almiron has come in for Fraser.

 

While the consensus on here is that Willock needs to be utilized different or replaced with Hayden, and that Fernandes should play ahead of Lascelles, it's easy to make arguments for why he persists with them too as opposed to if he had put Darlow, Ritchie, Krafth, Fraser or Clark back in the starting line up.

 

It just seems like, when seeing it happen in real time, that he made some pretty clear mistakes and because 9f them we're in a really bad position. Like I've barely watched us in 2 years yet I understand the general concensus that Clark, Darlow and Lascelles are shite. That Richie isn't a left back (I mean I could have guessed that one myself like).

 

Whether he's misjudged the squad, or allowed others to give him bad advice, he still made those calls despite the average Newcastle fan knowing they were wrong.

 

I'm not saying this to have a go at Howe, the opposite in fact I really like him. I just don't want him to get fired before he has a chance to actually get us playing how he wants.

[Dr Jinx]

He'll have learnt things in that game that we've known for ages.

 

Not that i think we have a chance to get anything against Liverpool, but if he picks the core of that midfield and backline again he deserves to have some questions asked.

 

Lascelles brain will capsize if Salah goes anywhere near him. It just shouldn't be done.

[ontheup123]

I still think after a successful spree in January we will bolt up the league. Not even worried about relegation. Probably 12-15th once a few new faces are brought in. The likes of Burnley, Brighton, even Brentford these little clubs won’t be able to invest like we will. I’m confident.

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Conjo said:

 

I agree with the points you made, but in fairness you should also point out that Howe is now playing Dub, Manquillo & Lewis. He also didn't put Clark back in the side after his suspension and Almiron has come in for Fraser.

 

While the consensus on here is that Willock needs to be utilized different or replaced with Hayden, and that Fernandes should play ahead of Lascelles, it's easy to make arguments for why he persists with them too as opposed to if he had put Darlow, Ritchie, Krafth, Fraser or Clark back in the starting line up.

 

 

Agree with this. He's getting pelters for persisting with Willock and Shelvey in the middle, but Hayden gets equally lambasted when he starts. The central midfield area is a car crash, and you could argue Hayden is the worst of the lot in possession. It might take a few games for Howe to settle on a formation that works, unfortunately that's how it is when you have a collection of flawed players to choose from. 

 

I actually don't think Willock's been as bad as made out, he's not playing well, but at least he's putting a shift in. 

[Boo Boy]

1 hour ago, ontheup123 said:

I still think after a successful spree in January we will bolt up the league. Not even worried about relegation. Probably 12-15th once a few new faces are brought in. The likes of Burnley, Brighton, even Brentford these little clubs won’t be able to invest like we will. I’m confident.

weapons grade delusion. we need a lot of top quality signings that hit the ground quickly. i cannot see that happening. Howe is not very good defensively so we will need to score boat loads of goals to be anywhere near staying up. Personally cannot see us staying up no matter who we sign.

[nbthree3]

New coach to work with Howe https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/newcastle-liverpool-coaching-staff-mark-leyland-b1975990.html

 

Newcastle United have pulled off a backroom coup in an aid to navigate away from relegation danger by poaching Mark Leyland from Liverpool to be their first-team coach analyst.

The 36-year-old joined the Anfield club in 2013 from Burnley, where he developed a strong working relationship with Eddie Howe – a bond that stretched beyond the professional, with the pair continuing to keep in touch after their paths diverged.

 

Leyland moved to Newcastle last week with the blessing of Jurgen Klopp and Pep Lijnders, who were keen for him to stay but appreciated he couldn’t rebuff the opportunity to advance his career by assuming greater responsibility and shifting into a coaching set-up.

 

He had been head of post-match and elite player development analysis at Liverpool, so the job represents a promotion.

[The Bonk]

Can you imagine Bruce getting a data analysis debriefing from Leyland? Fucking hell.