Eddie Howe

[gjohnson]

11 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

 

Steady on. 

Why? He's the only manager to take us to a final since 1966. His record in tournaments is now the second best in England history.

Totally not suited for club work though. He's got a got a good position, and a decent amount of good will, and it seems to be working well. Yes he might be an FA man, but sometimes what you want is not what you need, and he has demonstrated he is what the England team needs.

 

Most of us were genuinely underwhelmed when Howe was appointed (be honest), but he's got us playing well, getting results, and so far seems a good choice overall.

 

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by gjohnson
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[WillingtonMag]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

 

Got us to the final for me! 

His In games management is shocking and his decision for the penalty takers was absolutely criminal.

[Paullow]

 

 

[Guest HTT II]

Southgate has done a great job with England and is underrated in my opinion, but he’s more of a manager than a coach and is better suited to international football. He’s created and fostered a brilliant culture around the national team and with his group of players which now goes right throughout the entire national game set up (again, Dan Ashworth can also be thanked for that). 

[Yorkie]

'Absolutely criminal' ffs. They were penalties, there's no great strategy to it. Any professional footballer is just as capable of scoring a penalty as they are of missing it. I don't deny that we threw the final away during the game but I'm adamant that we'd be absolutely nowhere near the final in any case if it weren't for Southgate. His decisions throughout the tournament were vindicated at literally every turn until the very end. 

 

Don't buy the argument that he'd unsuited to club management either. He might not be, there's not a lot to go on and he was hardly an abject failure at Middlesbrough. What's more, the success of this England team is thanks in no small part to the 'club' ethos that Southgate and others have fostered in the camp. 

 

I wouldn't trade Howe for him, like. Just the stick he gets always riles me up.

[The Prophet]

2 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said:

His In games management is shocking and his decision for the penalty takers was absolutely criminal.

 

Not to derail the Eddie Howe thread, but this is a touch hyperbolic. His in game management is certainly no where near as good as the likes of Mancini or Enrique, but it isn't shocking. 

 

As for specialist penalty takers, rightly or wrong its common practice these days.

 

He's been the best fit I've seen for England in my lifetime, he's certainly earned the right to take us to this years World Cup, but I agree we may need someone else to push us on from the platform he's built.

[The Prophet]

3 minutes ago, Paullow said:

 

 

 

He should walk it.

 

Honourable shout out to Ralph, but our overall transformation has to be taken into account.

 

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by The Prophet

[LeeB]

Always assumed that Southgate would have a short, unsuccessful spell at Spurs as soon as he's done with England.

[gjohnson]

4 minutes ago, LeeB said:

Always assumed that Southgate would have a short, unsuccessful spell at Spurs as soon as he's done with England.

Almost certain Crystal Palace or Villa will be his next job.

Spurs have far to much of an ego to appoint anyone who isn't one of the 'elite' as they really do consider themselves to be one of the rich six despite their performance not justifying it in any way shape or form

[Emotic]

16 minutes ago, Paullow said:

 

 

Could do without the Manager of the Month curse, tbf.

[PauloGeordio]

26 minutes ago, Emotic said:

Could do without the Manager of the Month curse, tbf.

This is “new era” different 

[Kid Icarus]

The manager of the month curse is a myth IIRC. Howe did have a month of 0 points after he last won it though.

[Ronaldo]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

 

Who's achieved more in the post since 1991? 

For some reason I thought you were born in 1990. 

[WillingtonMag]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

 

Not to derail the Eddie Howe thread, but this is a touch hyperbolic. His in game management is certainly no where near as good as the likes of Mancini or Enrique, but it isn't shocking. 

 

As for specialist penalty takers, rightly or wrong its common practice these days.

 

He's been the best fit I've seen for England in my lifetime, he's certainly earned the right to take us to this years World Cup, but I agree we may need someone else to push us on from the platform he's built.

Wasting another great generation of England players on a manager who simply isn't good enough for me like but guess that doesn't seem to be the opinion of most.

[Big River]

3 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said:

Wasting another great generation of England players on a manager who simply isn't good enough for me like but guess that doesn't seem to be the opinion of most.

 

I do kind of understand this viewpoint. we've got an unbelievable squad, and any half-decent manager could probably get a tune out of them. He got schooled in the final, but there's a lot more to being an England manager than what happens on the pitch, and he does everything else brilliantly. so he gets a bit of a pass, for me.

 

wouldn't want him anywhere near us, like. he'd get eaten alive in the Prem.

[Conjo]

International management doesn't seem very sought after these days. What world class managers are there managing one right now? Southgate is of a very high standard compared to his peers imo.

[Manxst]

8 minutes ago, Conjo said:

International management doesn't seem very sought after these days. What world class managers are there managing one right now? Southgate is of a very high standard compared to his peers imo.

Van Gaal, Flick, Mancini (Deschamps?) are all better than Gareth, imo.

 

edit- Luis Enrique too.

 

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Manxst

[BergenMagpie]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

 

He should walk it.

 

Honourable shout out to Ralph, but our overall transformation has to be taken into account.

 

Will go to Klopp. The scousers take a leave of absence at work to knock down doors and pay homeless people to vote for him, like they did with Salah's goal vs Everton for the puskas award

[Guest HTT II]

10 minutes ago, HUGZ said:

 

I do kind of understand this viewpoint. we've got an unbelievable squad, and any half-decent manager could probably get a tune out of them. He got schooled in the final, but there's a lot more to being an England manager than what happens on the pitch, and he does everything else brilliantly. so he gets a bit of a pass, for me.

 

wouldn't want him anywhere near us, like. he'd get eaten alive in the Prem.

Thats one thing I worried about with Howe when we appointed him, that our job would be too big for him to handle in terms of the culture of our job, the culture of being a big one city club where it’s 24-7 attention, and he’s pissed it really thus far in just how well he’s handled it. I’ll say the same of Southgate who has done the same and even more with arguably the most difficult job in world football. I believe it’s how they carry themselves, and they both do it well. Compare and contrast to the likes of Bruce and Big Sam, both made from the same cloth really.

[Big River]

1 minute ago, HTT II said:

Thats one thing I worried about with Howe when we appointed him, that our job would be too big for him to handle in terms of the culture of our job, the culture of being a big one city club where it’s 24-7 attention, and he’s pissed it really thus far in just how well he’s handled it. I’ll say the same of Southgate who has done the same and even more with arguably the most difficult job in world football. I believe it’s how they carry themselves, and they both do it well. Compare and contrast to the likes of Bruce and Big Sam, both made from the same cloth really.

 

I just meant tactically more than anything. Howe is on a different level to Southgate, imo.

[Guest HTT II]

3 minutes ago, HUGZ said:

 

I just meant tactically more than anything. Howe is on a different level to Southgate, imo.

I dunno, I think he’d outsmart most, I mean Gerrard and Lampard for example or no tactical masterminds and nor are most managers in the PL. I agree about Howe, but even then he’s limited tactically too. That said, he’s shown he will learn or is willing to learn and he’s still young so his tactical acumen can hopefully develop. I’ve been Impressed with him tactically.

[Kid Icarus]

3 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

Got us to the final for me! 

 

It's funny how with some people Southgate only ever gets the criticism for not winning the tournament and not the credit for getting there in the first place. You'd think England were regularly getting to semis and finals before he came along, or that we'd got to semis and finals in spite of Southgate wouldn't you?

That's not even to say that he doesn't have his weaknesses, because he obviously does, but people seem to want to have it both ways - embracing his failures and rejecting his successes.

[Conjo]

15 minutes ago, Manxst said:

Van Gaal, Flick, Mancini (Deschamps?) are all better than Gareth, imo.

 

edit- Luis Enrique too.

 

 

I don't know much about Flick, but can you really say any ot the others are world class? Van Gaal and Mancini only went into international management again after failing at club level. Deschamps did well at Monaco, but did nothing spectacular at Juve with a superior team in lower leagues. He failed at Marseille. Enrique failed at Roma but got results with the best team in the world. They may be better than Southgate, but I wouldn't consider them a class above him.

[WillingtonMag]

41 minutes ago, HUGZ said:

 

I do kind of understand this viewpoint. we've got an unbelievable squad, and any half-decent manager could probably get a tune out of them. He got schooled in the final, but there's a lot more to being an England manager than what happens on the pitch, and he does everything else brilliantly. so he gets a bit of a pass, for me.

 

wouldn't want him anywhere near us, like. he'd get eaten alive in the Prem.

Whey this is my point basically if he isn't good enough for us or probably any other Premierleague club why is he good enough for England. Also get your other point especially after the fat Sam fiasco they probably wanted some one more clean cut but football should still come first.

[WillingtonMag]

38 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

I don't know much about Flick, but can you really say any ot the others are world class? Van Gaal and Mancini only went into international management again after failing at club level. Deschamps did well at Monaco, but did nothing spectacular at Juve with a superior team in lower leagues. He failed at Marseille. Enrique failed at Roma but got results with the best team in the world. They may be better than Southgate, but I wouldn't consider them a class above him.

They are all many classes above him man.