Eddie Howe

[toon25]

Southgate is a shite manager who's done a good job because he's a nice bloke and an FA bootlicker who doesn't rock the boat.

 

Wor Eddie is not only a nice bloke, but an astute tactician with a far more ambitious footballing philosophy than Southgate would be capable of.

 

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by toon25

[Guest neesy111]

Southgate isn't a shite manager.

[WillingtonMag]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

Would've loved Southgate but he's perfect where he is; doing a brilliant job in his position as the best England manager in my lifetime. 

Cost us the Euros for me.

[Dr Venkman]

1 hour ago, SteV said:

I much as I agree with this, one of the things we need to be doing if we’re to become the well-run, well-functioning club we all hope, is to always have a list of potential managerial replacements lined up.

 

You never know when something can go tits up professionally or personally with any manager, so you’ve always got be ahead of the game in being ready with your replacement.

 

We were a million miles away from this approach under Ashley, but I’m confident with Ashworth coming in, we’ll be on it.

 

You only have to look at Man United since Ferguson to see how much damage a cack-handed approach to this does.

Dan Ashworth needs a list, we don’t.

[Yorkie]

11 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said:

Cost us the Euros for me.

 

Got us to the final for me! 

[SteV]

13 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

Dan Ashworth needs a list, we don’t.

Yes, ‘we’ the club do, but ‘we’ the fans probably don’t. 

[Chris_R]

I'd be devastated if we swapped Howe for Southgate.

 

Seems a decent bloke, but he's not a tactician or a coach, he's just a manager. That works at international level where you get the players for a few days every now and again, you pick the XI, gee them up and they have to slot into what system you want to play, but it doesn't work at club level as we've seen with Southgate already.

 

He'll fail if and when he ever goes into club management again.

[Ronaldo]

2 hours ago, Yorkie said:

Would've loved Southgate but he's perfect where he is; doing a brilliant job in his position as the best England manager in my lifetime. 

 

Steady on. 

[Cf]

Southgates main achievements in my view are to do with the culture and representing us well as a country, and in an international role this is certainly a positive. 

 

In footballing terms I think he's only been ok. And ok is certainly an improvement on what we've been used to. We went deep in the euros and world cup but a bit like pardew finished 5th, Bruce 13th, it doesn't quite tell the full story. We had incredibly good draws - look over the fixtures and it feels to me like we did what we'd be expected to do. 

 

Basically he hasn't exceeded expectations or overachieved in footballing terms. I agree we should have contingencies in case something happens with Howe but Southgates name should be nowhere near that. 

[Yorkie]

9 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

 

Steady on. 

 

Who's achieved more in the post since 1991? 

[gjohnson]

11 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

 

Steady on. 

Why? He's the only manager to take us to a final since 1966. His record in tournaments is now the second best in England history.

Totally not suited for club work though. He's got a got a good position, and a decent amount of good will, and it seems to be working well. Yes he might be an FA man, but sometimes what you want is not what you need, and he has demonstrated he is what the England team needs.

 

Most of us were genuinely underwhelmed when Howe was appointed (be honest), but he's got us playing well, getting results, and so far seems a good choice overall.

 

 

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[WillingtonMag]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

 

Got us to the final for me! 

His In games management is shocking and his decision for the penalty takers was absolutely criminal.

[Paullow]

 

 

[Guest HTT II]

Southgate has done a great job with England and is underrated in my opinion, but he’s more of a manager than a coach and is better suited to international football. He’s created and fostered a brilliant culture around the national team and with his group of players which now goes right throughout the entire national game set up (again, Dan Ashworth can also be thanked for that). 

[Yorkie]

'Absolutely criminal' ffs. They were penalties, there's no great strategy to it. Any professional footballer is just as capable of scoring a penalty as they are of missing it. I don't deny that we threw the final away during the game but I'm adamant that we'd be absolutely nowhere near the final in any case if it weren't for Southgate. His decisions throughout the tournament were vindicated at literally every turn until the very end. 

 

Don't buy the argument that he'd unsuited to club management either. He might not be, there's not a lot to go on and he was hardly an abject failure at Middlesbrough. What's more, the success of this England team is thanks in no small part to the 'club' ethos that Southgate and others have fostered in the camp. 

 

I wouldn't trade Howe for him, like. Just the stick he gets always riles me up.

[The Prophet]

2 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said:

His In games management is shocking and his decision for the penalty takers was absolutely criminal.

 

Not to derail the Eddie Howe thread, but this is a touch hyperbolic. His in game management is certainly no where near as good as the likes of Mancini or Enrique, but it isn't shocking. 

 

As for specialist penalty takers, rightly or wrong its common practice these days.

 

He's been the best fit I've seen for England in my lifetime, he's certainly earned the right to take us to this years World Cup, but I agree we may need someone else to push us on from the platform he's built.

[The Prophet]

3 minutes ago, Paullow said:

 

 

 

He should walk it.

 

Honourable shout out to Ralph, but our overall transformation has to be taken into account.

 

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by The Prophet

[LeeB]

Always assumed that Southgate would have a short, unsuccessful spell at Spurs as soon as he's done with England.

[gjohnson]

4 minutes ago, LeeB said:

Always assumed that Southgate would have a short, unsuccessful spell at Spurs as soon as he's done with England.

Almost certain Crystal Palace or Villa will be his next job.

Spurs have far to much of an ego to appoint anyone who isn't one of the 'elite' as they really do consider themselves to be one of the rich six despite their performance not justifying it in any way shape or form

[Emotic]

16 minutes ago, Paullow said:

 

 

Could do without the Manager of the Month curse, tbf.

[PauloGeordio]

26 minutes ago, Emotic said:

Could do without the Manager of the Month curse, tbf.

This is “new era” different 

[Kid Icarus]

The manager of the month curse is a myth IIRC. Howe did have a month of 0 points after he last won it though.

[Ronaldo]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

 

Who's achieved more in the post since 1991? 

For some reason I thought you were born in 1990. 

[WillingtonMag]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

 

Not to derail the Eddie Howe thread, but this is a touch hyperbolic. His in game management is certainly no where near as good as the likes of Mancini or Enrique, but it isn't shocking. 

 

As for specialist penalty takers, rightly or wrong its common practice these days.

 

He's been the best fit I've seen for England in my lifetime, he's certainly earned the right to take us to this years World Cup, but I agree we may need someone else to push us on from the platform he's built.

Wasting another great generation of England players on a manager who simply isn't good enough for me like but guess that doesn't seem to be the opinion of most.

[Big River]

3 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said:

Wasting another great generation of England players on a manager who simply isn't good enough for me like but guess that doesn't seem to be the opinion of most.

 

I do kind of understand this viewpoint. we've got an unbelievable squad, and any half-decent manager could probably get a tune out of them. He got schooled in the final, but there's a lot more to being an England manager than what happens on the pitch, and he does everything else brilliantly. so he gets a bit of a pass, for me.

 

wouldn't want him anywhere near us, like. he'd get eaten alive in the Prem.