Mahoneys Tache Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 17 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: My only worry - and it is a minor one - is that we don’t know what the owners expectations are, nor how they will react to stretches of disappointing results. And by the owners, I’m referring to PIF. For me, Howe should be given a couple of years to build - we’re so much better than this time last year irrespective of money spent. The bloke is clearly an excellent manager / coach. I asked a question about this yesterday and got fucking murdered for it, even though I’d said clearly that I didn’t like the notion of them getting twitchy. No one has any idea how they will react to a dodgy period because they are an unknown quantity up to now. I hope they are sensible about it but I have a sneaky suspicion that they might panic if the crowds get restless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Dunno why Richard Keys is on our dick all of a sudden after slagging us off for years, he defended us complaining about the Liverpool winner as well. Maybe we're oil money friends now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 A problem i guess is last season everyone coming to st James were eyeing a potential 3 points and set up accordingly. Eddie has to think about if he can tweak the setup against teams just sitting deep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Mahoneys Tache said: I asked a question about this yesterday and got fucking murdered for it, even though I’d said clearly that I didn’t like the notion of them getting twitchy. No one has any idea how they will react to a dodgy period because they are an unknown quantity up to now. I hope they are sensible about it but I have a sneaky suspicion that they might panic if the crowds get restless. Based on what?? Everything they have said is that they want Howe here long term. There is no sense whatsoever that they’d have an itchy trigger finger. This conversation isn’t even warranted right now, it’s weird that it’s even being brought up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 3 hours ago, BlueStar said: Dunno why Richard Keys is on our dick all of a sudden after slagging us off for years, he defended us complaining about the Liverpool winner as well. Maybe we're oil money friends now. Attention/ clicks/ need to stay relevant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Looking at some of the posts it's clear some people haven't got a clue. Their only solution [to a problem they've invented just to justify their solution]i s to go out and buy 6 top class players because we have infinite funds. We just didn't spend enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Brighton probably our worst performance. Even Bruno looked poor in that game, still didn't lose. Absolutely nothing to worry about. The thing that amazes me most is how anyone could be negative, must be new fans that didn't go through the Ashley era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 From where we were when Amanda took over it will take several years to build us up to be able to really compete with the top boys. We have taken giant steps since Eddie came in and brought in some good players. A lot of fans are whinging about why we didn't buy this one and that one but they don't seem to consider that the players we would like might not be available or their clubs prefer not to sell to us. When we get ASM, Wilson and Shelvey back we should be quite a threat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 21 hours ago, BlueStar said: Dunno why Richard Keys is on our dick all of a sudden after slagging us off for years, he defended us complaining about the Liverpool winner as well. Maybe we're oil money friends now. Its because we have an English manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, jackyboy said: From where we were when Amanda took over it will take several years to build us up to be able to really compete with the top boys. We have taken giant steps since Eddie came in and brought in some good players. A lot of fans are whinging about why we didn't buy this one and that one but they don't seem to consider that the players we would like might not be available or their clubs prefer not to sell to us. When we get ASM, Wilson and Shelvey back we should be quite a threat Aye plus it was never going to be something that's solved in 1 or 2 windows I look at the Jan/Summer windows as one really, if we weren't in such a dire situation I don't think we would have done much in January The defence has largely been addressed, even managed to add a couple of players in attacking positions. Now the next few windows (not convinced we'll do a lot in Jan) will be about investing in the attack, so we aren't in a situation where an ASM injury can render us toothless. People just need to show some patience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 22 hours ago, BlueStar said: Dunno why Richard Keys is on our dick all of a sudden after slagging us off for years, he defended us complaining about the Liverpool winner as well. Maybe we're oil money friends now. He really likes Howe; on Bein he’s often very complimentary of him. Fits in with his incessant “British managers need more opportunities in the prem” agenda. It’s just a grim coincidence that we’re aligned on this as we’re all fully behind Eddie (on merit I should add, not because he’s British). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 49 minutes ago, Rafalove said: Its because we have an English manager Yeah. This, basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Geordie Ahmed said: Aye plus it was never going to be something that's solved in 1 or 2 windows I look at the Jan/Summer windows as one really, if we weren't in such a dire situation I don't think we would have done much in January The defence has largely been addressed, even managed to add a couple of players in attacking positions. Now the next few windows (not convinced we'll do a lot in Jan) will be about investing in the attack, so we aren't in a situation where an ASM injury can render us toothless. People just need to show some patience. 'The project' is what got everybody excited. Do people even understand the concept in this "I want it yesterday" world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 I'm completely fine with how things have gone. We've been a bit unlucky with injuries and what have you but the thing that sticks in my mind is the Man C game and the fact that with our full team out we can go toe to toe with anyone. If I was being critical I don't like the wide players we have with the exception of ASM. Almiron tries hard and tracks back but its just not his position. This inverted winger tactic just doesn't seem to be working: personnel or scheme? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 1 hour ago, OverThere said: I'm completely fine with how things have gone. We've been a bit unlucky with injuries and what have you but the thing that sticks in my mind is the Man C game and the fact that with our full team out we can go toe to toe with anyone. If I was being critical I don't like the wide players we have with the exception of ASM. Almiron tries hard and tracks back but its just not his position. This inverted winger tactic just doesn't seem to be working: personnel or scheme? It worked against Man City and Liverpool but we're too narrow when teams sit beind the ball. Need a more traditional winger type in those circumstances, just witch them over for the last 15 mins at least. TBF we might have done that yesterday, I missed the last 20mins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 hard to believe it’s less than 12 months since Bruceball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Impressive and potentially explains the frequent soft tissue injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 It's shit like that which gives me faith that we'll win way more than we lose. Fill that structure with more potent attackers and you've got a recipe for goals. Really on board with what Howe's doing. Do think he needs a bit of a plan B though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 27 minutes ago, NWMag said: hard to believe it’s less than 12 months since Bruceball Joelinton and Willock are excellent for that. Pressing machines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Yorkie said: It's shit like that which gives me faith that we'll win way more than we lose. Fill that structure with more potent attackers and you've got a recipe for goals. Really on board with what Howe's doing. Do think he needs a bit of a plan B though. Agree for the most part, but it's difficult to find a plan B when you turn to the bench and have Murphy and Wood longingly looking back at you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, Yorkie said: It's shit like that which gives me faith that we'll win way more than we lose. Fill that structure with more potent attackers and you've got a recipe for goals. Really on board with what Howe's doing. Do think he needs a bit of a plan B though. I think we’re currently playing with plan B with the likes of Miggy, Fraser and Willock. Wood and Murphy are last resort options as it stands. Give it two or three windows and the likes of Wilson and ASM will be plan B and the players above will be either plan C or no longer here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 51 minutes ago, NWMag said: hard to believe it’s less than 12 months since Bruceball Yep - this time last year (it really was only that long ago) we started the season unfit. It took Howe a couple of months to get the players to PL fitness levels. Now look at them. The goals will come (especially as better and better players are added - less injury prone ones would also be useful for this play style). Howe is absolutely the right man at the right club for me (Jeff). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 28 minutes ago, bowlingcrofty said: I think we’re currently playing with plan B with the likes of Miggy, Fraser and Willock. Wood and Murphy are last resort options as it stands. Give it two or three windows and the likes of Wilson and ASM will be plan B and the players above will be either plan C or no longer here. Think it's a mistake to think of Plan A, Plan B etc purely in terms of personnel. We're going to need to transition into being a team that can effectively break through a low block/deep defence much more effectively than we showed on Saturday. It's going to involve player upgrades but will also need tactical flexibility and evolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Shelvey, Targett, Bruno (and new flair up), Maxi, Isak, Anderson—feel like I may be missing some—all picking up injuries. Mostly muscle-related. Is there a problem with the whole ‘intensity is our identity’ approach? Any manager would want the fitness possible team, but is he pushing too hard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 We really would benefit from a midfielder who can play keep ball and slow things down, it feels like we go for broke all game which is brilliant but part of that is we are bad at patience and holding on the the ball to take the sting out of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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