Rich Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: Booing is not on. I was fearful that we would lose the good atmosphere and momentum if we had a slow start to the season. Last year the atmosphere won us points - I genuinely believe that. I think that’s gone now and it’s going to be an uphill battle to get it back. Eddie needs a little rethink. Early goals are huge for us at SJP - always been that way. There’s already a stunning amount of complacency and entitlement in the stadium. Started creeping in at times last season once we looked safe, and today was probably the worst example of it. There has to be give and take, I understand that, but I’m already not enjoying going and we’re only a few games in. Don’t think anything was helped by the enforced mourning, of course. Did we really have to only play somber/slow music pre-match and at half-time? Weirdest atmosphere I can recall during those periods because of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 He needs to stop giving minutes to Murphy. Anybody can see he’s not good enough. Baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Elliottman said: No, your accusation was they hadn’t prepared well enough for the game without having any knowledge of how they’ve prepared. Everything we learnt about him and his team is that they prepare immaculately, whether we have the quality to implement it is another thing but to accuse them of not preparing is pretty fucking ridiculous. You're wrapped around the axle on a specific interpretation of "prepare" here man. Is it more palatable for you if I switch that to "plan"? You can have a plan that's not good (yes, even Eddie Howe can). You can also not have a good plan B. And yes, you can have a good or great plan but lack the quality to implement it. To a degree all 3 were true today. You favor the 3rd option, I favor the first. We did not appear to go in with a specific plan to break them down, nor figure one out during the 90 minutes when whatever we did prepare didn't really work. Also our bench is shit. Edited September 17, 2022 by thomas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Theregulars said: He needs to stop giving minutes to Murphy. Anybody can see he’s not good enough. Baffling. Who else would you have brought on today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, maze said: All you Howe fanboys and girls need to calm down. Seriously, it's perfectly legit questioning our form. At the end of the day it's Howe's responsibility. He did some absolutely remarkable work last season, I'll admit to it. Is it wrong to expect him to continue that form? Is it wrong to have expectations after strengthening the squad? No! VAR, injuries, added time, whatever... we haven't preformed well enough at all. The form we have been showing the last three matches does not make us challange for top 7. I think How can do a much better job with Willock and Bruno. The first kept scoring like no other under Bruce, and Bruno was on fire last season. We haven't won since Nottingham Forrest. If we don't win any of our next five matches I think the fans will turn against him. We have performed really well but we are lacking the quality to convert our possession to goals. Thinking last seasons form would carry to this season after we are still forced to start Fraser and Almiron while Murphy and Wood are the options off the bench is just simply unrealistic. Today was a worse performance than the Crystal Palace game but Bournemouth's bus was well organised and we still did enough to win that game on another day. No idea what Bruno has done wrong either and everyone should have known that Willock's purple patch under Bruce wasn't sustainable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 We've got a lot of players that are good enough for top 7 but far more who are more suited to Championship level. The fact that the arguments against Eddie today are that he should have brought Murphy and Wood on earlier sums up the state of the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rich said: There’s already a stunning amount of complacency and entitlement in the stadium. Started creeping in at times last season once we looked safe, and today was probably the worst example of it. There has to be give and take, I understand that, but I’m already not enjoying going and we’re only a few games in. Don’t think anything was helped by the enforced mourning, of course. Did we really have to only play somber/slow music pre-match and at half-time? Weirdest atmosphere I can recall during those periods because of that. Let’s be honest. SJP is a tough crowd. It’s rarely one to get behind a struggling team. That crowd needs to see goals. People are rocking up expecting 3-0. Going in at half/time 0-0 is going to create murmurs in the crowd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 No need for the Spanish Inquisition, but not a good set of results so far. It's all very good doing "evolution" but its not going to happen with Championship level wide players against an organized defence. If we did spend all the budget that was available, then fair dos, the road ahead is a long one, but if we kept some money back based on Miggy's output in preseason, oh man what a headfake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Theregulars said: He needs to stop giving minutes to Murphy. Anybody can see he’s not good enough. Baffling. And bring on who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 My only worry - and it is a minor one - is that we don’t know what the owners expectations are, nor how they will react to stretches of disappointing results. And by the owners, I’m referring to PIF. For me, Howe should be given a couple of years to build - we’re so much better than this time last year irrespective of money spent. The bloke is clearly an excellent manager / coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Pata said: And bring on who? Genuinely can't tell if the "state of the bench" from some, every time the lineup is announced is serious or a meme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, Elliottman said: No, your accusation was they hadn’t prepared well enough for the game without having any knowledge of how they’ve prepared. Everything we learnt about him and his team is that they prepare immaculately, whether we have the quality to implement it is another thing but to accuse them of not preparing is pretty fucking ridiculous. You don't have to have personally witnessed the team preparing through the week to pass comment on the way they have set up and are playing once the game itself has commenced. That would be ridiculous. it's perfectly valid to be thinking about what is happening tactically in the wake of a performance like that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 I respect what he's trying to do in building the side with possession but it just feels we're not quite there yet, personnel-wise. I feel like we're going to pick up more wins before the WC break away from home. Be interesting to see if he mixes things up if Wilson is back before Maxi. 44fkin2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Pata said: And bring on who? Nobody. Fatigued starters are better. What’s Murphy contributed positively as a Newcastle player in your opinion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Dear me, we've got absolute spoilt bastards with short memories in our fanbase mind. Fucking arseholes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Even under Ashley we would expect 6 points against Bournemouth and Palace tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Just now, Theregulars said: Nobody. Fatigued starters are better. What’s Murphy contributed positively as a Newcastle player in your opinion? You think I see Murphy as an answer? Fact is Murphy and Wood were the only options from the bench and Fraser isn't really fit to play nowhere near 90 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Just now, Pata said: You think I see Murphy as an answer? Fact is Murphy and Wood were the only options from the bench and Fraser isn't really fit to play nowhere near 90 minutes. So you agree with my original premise that he’s not good enough - cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) Regarding booing, it's been there in previous eras and it comes from a sense of entitlement and enhanced expectation. Don't recall it much in the 80s when we were regularly twatted by the big sides at home (not saying it didn't ever happen, just don't recall it). Beaten regularly by 3 or 4 goals at home by Everton, Liverpool etc, don't remember booing. I definitely remember it in the KK and SBR eras. I can vividly recall a bloke in front of me booing at half time as we trooped off losing to Luton in the cup in 93/94 under KK. I nearly had a physical altercation with him over it. Enhanced expectations...hey we're not beating Luton at home...BOOO!!! It's not a Punch and Judy show you fucking melts, there's two teams on the pitch. I trust EH more than anyone since SBR, to get this right. Yeah, I wish we had won a couple more, but booing ffs. We're actually very unlucky to not have at least 5 more points and be sitting top 6. And that's with key attacking players missing several games and decisions going against us regularly. Edited September 17, 2022 by LionOfGosforth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Theregulars said: So you agree with my original premise that he’s not good enough - cool. Of course but THERE'S NO ONE ELSE available. Edited September 17, 2022 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Just now, Pata said: Of course but THERE'S NO ELSE available. Then don’t make the sub, simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Ritchie is better than Murphy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 We had nobody who could break their lines today. The squad needs a lot of work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Even under Ashley we would expect 6 points against Bournemouth and Palace tbf. Rafa aside, we ignoring who's been in charge? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Tsunami said: We had nobody who could break their lines today. The squad needs a lot of work. We had one sitting on the bench for the full 90 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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