Sven Botman

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Botman just another legend in the making for us

Who's next on the conveyor belt after Trippier, Joe, Bruno, Sven ?

What a time to be a Newcastle supporter.

[STM]

The fact that Eddie has Krafth, Richie and Lascelles at least competent in this sort of footbal is testament to his management.

 

Hoy Trippier, Schar and Fraser on and we are cooking on gas.

[James]

Actually think now that Botman and Lascelles will start the season.

 

I don’t think you would play two centre backs together if they haven’t been playing together pre season. Botman was partnered with Lascelles last two games.

 

add to that thatLascelles remains club captain and will therefore need games, with Forest being his first club.

[ponsaelius]

Nope.

[James]

Yep.

[The Prophet]

I struggle to see why Lascelles would have been benched for a majority of Howe's tenure to come back in later down the line. I think we're more likely to see Schar-Burn than Botman-Lascalles. Hopefully it's Schar-Botman though.

 

 

Edited July 31, 2022 by The Prophet

[STM]

5 minutes ago, James said:

Actually think now that Botman and Lascelles will start the season.

 

I don’t think you would play two centre backs together if they haven’t been playing together pre season. Botman was partnered with Lascelles last two games.

 

add to that thatLascelles remains club captain and will therefore need games, with Forest being his first club.

 

Your theory is spot on... you just have the wrong pair.

 

Burn and Schar will start the season and Botman will be eased in. I can't wait for the fume come Forest.

[Ste]

Don't think there is any significance in Botman partnering Lascelles other than to see what he is like as the dominant defender alongside someone who has a more glaring weakness than himself. Lascelles wasn't getting any real minutes the second half of last season, I don't think that changes when we've signed our main man in defence.

[jack j]

6 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Your theory is spot on... you just have the wrong pair.

 

Burn and Schar will start the season and Botman will be eased in. I can't wait for the fume come Forest.

Agree with this

Won't surprise me further down the line if Botman and Burn play together as well

[James]

7 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Your theory is spot on... you just have the wrong pair.

 

Burn and Schar will start the season and Botman will be eased in. I can't wait for the fume come Forest.

I wouldn’t disagree with that. We definitely won’t see Schar or Burn alongside Botman against Forest.

[Yorkie]

Absolute waste if we're not pairing Schar and Botman. With them two at the back, Bruno in the anchor role, Joelinton constantly offering in the way he does and then Wilson's strength and balance up top, we've the potential to be able to dictate possession against anyone. Stick Lascelles in there and you lose an element of that control cos he just doesn't have the composure or technique on the ball. 

[Ikon]

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

Absolute waste if we're not pairing Schar and Botman. With them two at the back, Bruno in the anchor role, Joelinton constantly offering in the way he does and then Wilson's strength and balance up top, we've the potential to be able to dictate possession against anyone. Stick Lascelles in there and you lose an element of that control cos he just doesn't have the composure or technique on the ball. 

 

Agree.

[Coffee_Johnny]

I can understand the points for all parings (just about all pairings) but still think we’ll see Schar and Botman. I’d be curious to see (someone commented on it in here but can’t recall) how they line up in defensive drills in training. Such regular, and away from prying eyes, practice is the best indicator of preferred line up. 

[James]

3 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

Absolute waste if we're not pairing Schar and Botman. With them two at the back, Bruno in the anchor role, Joelinton constantly offering in the way he does and then Wilson's strength and balance up top, we've the potential to be able to dictate possession against anyone. Stick Lascelles in there and you lose an element of that control cos he just doesn't have the composure or technique on the ball. 

Howe playing the long game of loyalty and squad harmony by playing the club captain against his former club and still getting a win, as opposed to the immediate gratification of the collective willies of N-O.

[Coffee_Johnny]

6 minutes ago, James said:

Howe playing the long game of loyalty and squad harmony by playing the club captain against his former club and still getting a win, as opposed to the immediate gratification of the collective willies of N-O.

Nice sentiment, but there’s no place for it in the Premier League. Plus, our (varying) preferences obviously have no influence on what Howe et al see as their strongest line-up against Forest. 

[STM]

I'm looking forward to an Eddie special away to one of the big boys where he plays a back 3 of Schar, Botman and Burn.

[OoOGazOoO]

Got to be Schar and Botman, Shirley?

[Comegetasample]

5 minutes ago, OoOGazOoO said:

Got to be Schar and Botman, Shirley?

 

Not sure about Shirley playing in a back 3 mind.

[jack j]

Just now, Comegetasample said:

 

Not sure about Shirley playing in a back 3 mind.

Would have took her brother before he went to Ajax though

[FloydianMag]

2 hours ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Botman just another legend in the making for us

Who's next on the conveyor belt after Trippier, Joe, Bruno, Sven ?

What a time to be a Newcastle supporter.

We also now know that the Botman’s of this world  wont be sold on unless the club chooses to move them on.

[KaKa]

2 hours ago, James said:

Actually think now that Botman and Lascelles will start the season.

 

I don’t think you would play two centre backs together if they haven’t been playing together pre season. Botman was partnered with Lascelles last two games.

 

add to that thatLascelles remains club captain and will therefore need games, with Forest being his first club.

 

There's a possibility you are right on this one.

 

I think people may be sick to their stomachs when they find that there's a chance Botman was seen as an ideal partner for Lascelles.

 

Lascelles is our best defender when it comes to heading the ball in both boxes, and I think Howe values the set piece ability as well as his leadership. He is a similar mould to Steve Cook, who Howe had paired with Nathan Ake at Bournemouth. Ake took the ball playing responsibilities in that partnership with Cook, while Cook kept things simple with the ball. Cook was great in the air and was the leader and captain too.

 

Don't think Howe necessarily feels he needs two ball playing defenders back there. In the Schar and Burn partnership, Burn is the more aggressive defender that provides better aerial ability and leadership, while Schar takes the ball playing responsibilities.

 

I think these are the two pairs that Howe will use for the most part. And so I think people should at least prepare themselves for this possibility and start working themselves up for a proper whingefest come the first game.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 31, 2022 by KaKa

[snakzz]

9 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

There's a possibility you are right on this one.

 

I think people may be sick to their stomachs when they find that there's a chance Botman was seen as an ideal partner for Lascelles.

 

Lascelles is our best defender when it comes to heading the ball in both boxes, and I think Howe values the set piece ability as well as his leadership. He is a similar mould to Steve Cook, who Howe had paired with Nathan Ake at Bournemouth. Ake took the ball playing responsibilities in that partnership with Cook, while Cook kept things simple with the ball. Cook was great in the air and was the leader and captain too.

 

Don't think Howe necessarily feels he needs two ball playing defenders back there. In the Schar and Burn partnership, Burn is the more aggressive defender that provides better aerial ability and leadership, while Schar takes the ball playing responsibilities.

 

I think these are the two pairs that Howe will use for the most part. And so I think people should at least prepare themselves for this possibility and start working themselves up for a proper whingefest come the first game.

 

 

 

 

 

Sad if true. 
 

Lacelles is such an liability and an big downgrade from schar and burn. 

[gdm]

I reckon Howe has been quite clever the front 5 from Atalanta game and the midfield and forward line from Bilbao game (except Almiron for Ritchie) will be the line up for Forest game

 

Imo he has the defence playing together and the majority of midfield and forwards playing together over the two games.

Possibly because Atalanta are more dangerous going forward and Bilbao are strong at the back

 

just random thinking but possibly the reason Almiron played the Atalanta game was Howe wanted to see Almiron link up with Trippier again. 
 

i could be a manager

 

 

Edited July 31, 2022 by gdm

[McCormick]

One thing I will say about Lascelles is at least he’s a specimen physically; has great recovery pace and a goal threat on set-pieces. He did look decent when Rafa paired him with someone extremely calm, composed and positionally brilliant in Lejeune, so I can understand the thinking in partnering him with Botman.

 

Big BUT though, Lascelles’ positioning and reading of the game in defense is genuinely horrible. I am impressed by how much better on the ball he’s looked in pre-season but he’s still miles away from Schar and Burn in that regard.

 

 

Edited July 31, 2022 by McCormick

[Kanj]

There’s no way the eventual duo wont be Botman and Schar unless proven otherwise. Burn is good but Botman a class above in every department. Botman is also very good in the box on set pieces too.