Geordie Ahmed Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 09:57, Zero said: It makes the matter worse and worse man. The later you make the bid the higher the cost it would be. Before Jan if you throw 40m to Lille I guarantee you Botman would be here already. Now they are waiting for 50m, or even 60m at 31 Jan. I ain’t asking several class or marquee signings but at least some bodies that are capable to do a short-term job, cover several key areas etc so that we aren’t in such a bad shape aka now. This is not about poker. This is simply project management. We have absolutely no buffer now. Expand How on earth can you guarantee that? If you put yourself in Lille's shoes and someone bids 40m for Botman, do you accept it or think "We'll wait, his price can only go up"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 10/01/2022 at 20:12, MarkyMark said: If Wood has a release clause, then no haggling is required. We’ve no idea re what their planned investment is etc. Back in November the consortium had to plough in £38m to keep the club running. What was notable about that is that each consortium member had to plough in a % of that based upon the size of their shareholding. Staveley doesn’t have the money to keep up with PIF even on a 5% basis if the intention is to chuck hundreds of millions in. It looks to me like the club spending what it has for the time being. Expand Shares can be diluted or the business can put up the money itself. We don’t know exactly what will happen, but Staveley did say the aim was to go for trophies within 5 - 10 year and you’re not doing that without serious money being spent. So she is either lying about that or that is the actual plans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Going into Watford without a real striker (and a proper DM), could be a long, miserable 90 minutes. Sigh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I swear there is a scene at the start of planes trains and automobiles where Steve martin desperately offers some money for some blokes taxi, and the bloke subsequently says "if you're willing to pay this much for a taxi, you're surely willing to pay X amount" or something to that effect Feels like us in the transfer market, in January, in the relegation spots, with the wealthiest backers in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 10:00, Geordie Ahmed said: How on earth can you guarantee that? If you put yourself in Lille's shoes and someone bids 40m for Botman, do you accept it or think "We'll wait, his price can only go up"? Expand Lille will be wanting a bidding war with other clubs to get the best price. This probably won’t go ahead until possibly the last day if the window or the Summer window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 It's not simple project management, it's bloody game theory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Resigned to not having new additions for Watford,plus I don't buy into new striker= we win, no new striker = we lose. Think we have enough to put them away regardless. If Gayle has recovered from covid get him in,at least he knows which runs to make. See how it goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 10:04, Holloway said: Resigned to not having new additions for Watford,plus I don't buy into new striker= we win, no new striker = we lose. Think we have enough to put them away regardless. If Gayle has recovered from covid get him in,at least he knows which runs to make. See how it goes. Expand We could always play Joelinton up front as well like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 10:04, Holloway said: Resigned to not having new additions for Watford,plus I don't buy into new striker= we win, no new striker = we lose. Think we have enough to put them away regardless. If Gayle has recovered from covid get him in,at least he knows which runs to make. See how it goes. Expand Gayle would struggle to hit the floor if he fell on it, never mind the back of the net Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 07:14, nufcjb said: How does Ayoze get on at Leicester these days? Is he a regular starter? I know Vardy is out for a while but does it mean Ayoze gets morr chances? Honestly, if we need proven attackers, we should try get him back. Or at least ask for him on loan. He'd be our focal point in attack and when Wilson does get back, you got a potential partnership there ala Ayoze-Rondon. Expand The season we went down, the lack of goals from him and Mitrovic was a big reason. Now I'm a fan of Ayoze as a player, but he's not a prolific goalscorer, and he's not a target man either. Not at all what we need at this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 10:00, Geordie Ahmed said: How on earth can you guarantee that? If you put yourself in Lille's shoes and someone bids 40m for Botman, do you accept it or think "We'll wait, his price can only go up"? Expand Lille keep on adjusting the price base on our transfer news every day. Just like someone said if we already get Carlos, who give a shit for Botman? If I am Lille I will try to sell Botman to Newcastle “when his value is the highest in Newcastle’s shoes”. That’s why we fucking need to secure some before the window opens. That’s the buffer man...every one know we don’t now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 09:57, Zero said: It makes the matter worse and worse man. The later you make the bid the higher the cost it would be. Before Jan if you throw 40m to Lille I guarantee you Botman would be here already. Now they are waiting for 50m, or even 60m at 31 Jan. I ain’t asking several class or marquee signings but at least some bodies that are capable to do a short-term job, cover several key areas etc so that we aren’t in such a bad shape aka now. This is not about poker. This is simply project management. We have absolutely no buffer now. Expand It seems you have an in as to what went on before January? Do tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 10:08, Zero said: Lille keep on adjusting the price base on our transfer news every day. Just like someone said if we already get Carlos, who give a shit for Botman? If I am Lille I will try to sell Botman to Newcastle “when his value is the highest in Newcastle’s shoes”. That’s why we fucking need to secure some before the window opens. That’s the buffer man...every one know we don’t now. Expand But clubs don’t want to sell their players outside of the window for various reasons. That’s why it simply never, or very rarely, happens. It’s awesome to read all these people knowing how to run a football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 10:08, Zero said: Lille keep on adjusting the price base on our transfer news every day. Just like someone said if we already get Carlos, who give a shit for Botman? If I am Lille I will try to sell Botman to Newcastle “when his value is the highest in Newcastle’s shoes”. That’s why we fucking need to secure some before the window opens. That’s the buffer man...every one know we don’t now. Expand None of this adds up with 'just get it done before the window opens' because the same 'sell them at the highest value' theory applies regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 10:04, elbee909 said: It's not simple project management, it's bloody game theory. Expand If you are using game theory then tell me what should you do if you know the most likely outcome is both sides dragged to the final day and we are either going to relegate with a shit squad, or paying ridiculous fees? or how about find other sellers earlier and let them know we have choices and it’s all or nothing for them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Maybe we just just stick to dealing with Atletico Madrid this window, Trippier was straight forward enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 10:11, kisearch said: None of this adds up with 'just get it done before the window opens' because the same 'sell them at the highest value' theory applies regardless. Expand Then tell me why could Watford bring in a few bodies already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 10:13, Zero said: If you are using game theory then tell me what should you do if you know the most likely outcome is both sides dragged to the final day and we are either going to relegate with a shit squad, or paying ridiculous fees? or how about find other sellers earlier and let them know we have choices and it’s all or nothing for them? Expand I don't know what you're talking about. Sorry. Clubs will hold out for the best possible offer on their assets. And may decide not to sell if they don't need to. Not sure how this is difficult to grasp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) On 11/01/2022 at 10:14, Zero said: Then tell me why could Watford bring in a few bodies already? Expand A different club in a different situation buying different players. Udinese are also a partnered club with Watford. Maybe you should tell us how it works? Even then, how does 'get signings in before the window opens' join up with clubs wanting to get the maximum value possible? Any club wanting to do that blatantly isn't going to sell before the window opens, what you're saying contradicts itself. Edited January 11, 2022 by kisearch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 10:14, Zero said: Then tell me why could Watford bring in a few bodies already? Expand Few bodies? They've made 3 signings, 1 of which is a kid. And 1 of which was from Udinese. So really it's 1 signing, similar to us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 10:08, Zero said: Lille keep on adjusting the price base on our transfer news every day. Just like someone said if we already get Carlos, who give a shit for Botman? If I am Lille I will try to sell Botman to Newcastle “when his value is the highest in Newcastle’s shoes”. That’s why we fucking need to secure some before the window opens. That’s the buffer man...every one know we don’t now. Expand And that answer to that is during the transfer window and not before it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Yeah don't Watford have some weird pact with Udinese also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 10:14, Zero said: Then tell me why could Watford bring in a few bodies already? Expand Well I’d imagine it’s because 1 is from a Belgian second division who would happily take a half decent offer and the other is from udinese who is also owned by the people that own Watford. Maybe not a great example Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 10:18, NE27 said: Yeah don't Watford have some weird pact with Udinese also Expand It's owned by the same family so it's not a normal transfer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 11/01/2022 at 10:18, Geordie Ahmed said: And that answer to that is during the transfer window and not before it Expand Then sign someone else, even some who is better than Clark would do it. buffer man, we need buffer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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