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9 hours ago, ManDoon said:

He was immense in the euros. 

 

One of the reasons I'm actually glad the World Cup is not in the summer this year. Our recruitment won't get skewed by players playing out their skin for their country and having their prices doubled overnight. 

 

Blessing in disguise even though the thought of watching tournament football in the winter is an odd one.

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11 hours ago, midds said:

Regardless of where he goes Man U's treatment of him over the last 6 months has been shocking. Blocked a move that would have generated cash via a fee, saved wages for 5 months and severely pissed off a player who had been there for years. All for the sake of 3 poxy appearances in 4 months. Dreadful management of the squad, the player and the club finances. Obtuse and backward logic. 

 

Tbh I disagree.

 

We were right in the shit at the time, and it looked for all the world like we needed Lingard to give us even a fighting chance of staying up.

 

If blocking this had relegated us, they'd have considered it a great decision. Only 20-20 hindsight makes it look stupid, nobody could've foreseen the miracle Howe has worked.

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I'm really not sure. I accept he would be an improvement on what we've got - but I really wanted a wide player to be one of our big signings. Not sure we'd get another if we signed Lingard.

 

I also really think we should be targeting exclusively the 22-26 age bracket. Players who are not too young to be a wild gamble, play like fully formed pros but still have room to grow. The squad average age is pretty high and we need to be pulling that down.

 

If you look at Liverpool pretty much all their successful signings in recent years have been players in that age bracket. 

 

 

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Not getting any of this 'don't sign because he's 30+' talk, we'd never have brought in Trippier if the club had such a blinkered view to transfers. Stop thinking like Ashley's transfer policy is the right one. The only question from me is the positional one, I don't see him as a right winger. If he was, it'd be a no-brainer for me - quality, cost (with FFP constraints in the coming years to consider), character (something to prove). But as it is he'd take Saint-Maximin's position, which is one of the only positions in the squad in the short term that doesn't need addressing.

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1 minute ago, hakka said:

 

I think Lingard being able to cover Willock centrally and be our best right wing/forward role can work. He'd instantly be better than Fraser, Murphy and Almiron. Ideally we need a better natural player for the right wing though. Maybe Lingard can be the rotational one for Willock and either wing. We will need depth in quality.

 

I don't see him moving to us unless he's guaranteed starts, though. If Willock can become a right-winger then there's a spot for him more centrally potentially. But I wouldn't be so eager to take Lingard over Willock in the middle.

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18 minutes ago, HawK said:

Not getting any of this 'don't sign because he's 30+' talk, we'd never have brought in Trippier if the club had such a blinkered view to transfers. Stop thinking like Ashley's transfer policy is the right one. The only question from me is the positional one, I don't see him as a right winger. If he was, it'd be a no-brainer for me - quality, cost (with FFP constraints in the coming years to consider), character (something to prove). But as it is he'd take Saint-Maximin's position, which is one of the only positions in the squad in the short term that doesn't need addressing.

The argument isn’t because he’s 30+ - everyone is aware of the impact a good experienced professional like Trippier can have on the team. The opinions against signing Lingaard is that he’d immediately be our highest earning player, and that he barely makes it past 4 goals a season in the Premiership for the last 12 years (other than his West Ham purple patch), as well as predominantly playing in the AM/LW position which we don’t particularly need (Lingaard is not a RW). For the salary, there will be better options for us. If we need to take account of free players, I’d rather we look at the likes of Kamara and then put the cash saved towards an attacking player instead of Lingaard. 

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It would have sounded mad a year ago, but I prefer it if we didn't sign him. As talented as he is, his age and wages tend to lean on not signing him for me.

 

Then again, his experience for a couple of seasons could be invaluable to help push the club forward. I trust Eddie if we did sign him though, it's not as if Lingard's a poor player.

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27 minutes ago, HawK said:

Not getting any of this 'don't sign because he's 30+' talk, we'd never have brought in Trippier if the club had such a blinkered view to transfers. Stop thinking like Ashley's transfer policy is the right one. The only question from me is the positional one, I don't see him as a right winger. If he was, it'd be a no-brainer for me - quality, cost (with FFP constraints in the coming years to consider), character (something to prove). But as it is he'd take Saint-Maximin's position, which is one of the only positions in the squad in the short term that doesn't need addressing.

 

Yeah just ignore that most top teams in the world primarily signs younger players, and call it the "Ashley transfer policy" to make your argument look better :lol: We have one of the oldest squads in the league. I don't think we need much more experience.

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I have no issue with this as long as it’s not instead of a big long term signing. I do have reservations about Man U castoffs, but this one doesn’t have a lot of miles on the clock and clearly has some talent. Even if his West Ham form is an anomaly, he’s still comfortably better than Fraser and Murphy.

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Lingard was so attractive a proposition in January because he was ready to go into the team having experience of the PL and having shown that a move could invigorate him into performing how he did at West Ham and we were properly in the shit. We’re no longer in that position; we need players who can perform in the Premier League but should have a preseason to bed them in. Not sure that we need him anymore, he’s pret-a-porter when we should be getting bespoke

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  • 5 months later...

Glad we didn’t go for him. Extra happy we didn’t go for DCL like some on here wanted to :lol: Could smell it from miles away like a polar bear smells a seal that he would have issues with injuries and that his career might be going in the wrong direction. What a awful signing he would have been.

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These things are sliding doors moments anyway. There's every chance that if he had come here in January it would have worked out. The environment you're in can make all the difference. 

 

Having said that, he was a January only signing anyway. I don't think anyone wanted him once we were safe. 

 

 

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Still think there’s a decent player in there. Like, someone said above re. Sliding door moments and all that…

 

Just don’t think he has the ability to justify £200,000 p/w or whatever. He seems to care more about earning money than playing football. 

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He was probably an upgrade on Fraser, Almiron, etc but not significant enough to give him the money he wanted, or the sort of upgrade like Maddison would be to take us to the next level. I'm happy we missed out.

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You can't make any judgement on how someone would have worked out at Nottingham Forest versus us under Howe. We clearly are properly coached, the players are motivated and we have so much positivity around this club. Same goes for DCL, who yes has been injury prone and fallen off badly, but there is no way to say he couldn't have been fantastic under Howe. 

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