Now That's What I Call Transfer Rumours! 7

[rebelrouser]

4 hours ago, simonsays said:

If we go for a more attacking left back then i think we will need to adapt the way we play and start using a dm. Currently Dan Burn creates a third centre back when trippier goes firward.  If both full backs are bombing on we will need to have a centrail.midfielder who is happy to drop between the centre backs.  Even if we dont play like this all of the time it is a good option to have.

Adrien Truffert and Manuel Ugarte would do. 

[Cronky]

I’ve had long standing doubts about ASM’s commitment to the side. He has obvious strengths but weaknesses as well. 
 

My impression is that he’s the only player we have that would fetch a fair bit of money but who we may also be willing to sell. If we are looking to raise funds with an eye to ffp, he’s the glaringly obvious choice.

[RodneyCisse]

49 minutes ago, Cronky said:

I’ve had long standing doubts about ASM’s commitment to the side. He has obvious strengths but weaknesses as well. 
 

My impression is that he’s the only player we have that would fetch a fair bit of money but who we may also be willing to sell. If we are looking to raise funds with an eye to ffp, he’s the glaringly obvious choice.

He may unfortunately be the lamb to the slaughter but I think with the amount of games we’ll play next season he could be a major factor in our champs league campaign.

[Stottie]

On a hypothetical level, wouldn't Almiron fetch a fair bit if sold?

 

Based on age, skillset and likely effectiveness in the future when we no longer have Trippier at RB, I think you can make a case for upgrading sooner while he would still command a healthy fee. Everyone seems dead set on us signing a new RW anyway.

[Matt1892]

4 minutes ago, Stottie said:

On a hypothetical level, wouldn't Almiron fetch a fair bit if sold?

 

Based on age, skillset and likely effectiveness in the future when we no longer have Trippier at RB, I think you can make a case for upgrading sooner while he would still command a healthy fee. Everyone seems dead set on us signing a new RW anyway.

After the season we have had there will be quite a few in the squad whose values have increased.

 

I don’t think the club will actively look to move people on but if decent offers came in for ASM, Almiron or Wilson I think the club would be open to the deal.

[Chris_R]

Be crazy to sell ASM or Almiron without very decent replacements lined up.

 

We only have competent 4 wingers now, and next season we'll have far more games to play. If anything we're already short there, not blessed with extra we can get rid of.

[Smal]

Despite not playing much this season, ASM has improved massively. He's always been a good dribbler but now he is more complete. Some numbers for how he stacks up against the rest of the league's attacking mids & wingers this season (min. 10 90s):

 

Assists per 90: 0.45 - second only to KdB

Shot creating actions per 90: 4.87 - 6th behind only KdB, Bruno F, Mahrez, Maddison and Odegaard

Goal creating actions per 90: 0.81 - 5th behind only KdB, Mahrez, Grealish and Foden. Level with Saka. 

Key passes per 90: 2.26 - 5th only behind KdB, Bruno F, Maddison and Mahrez

 

Successful take-ons per 90: 7.40 - top by miles

Progressive carries per 90: 6.58 - top

Prog carrying distance per 90: 181.08 - top and only Grealish gets anywhere near

Carries into pen area per 90: 2.97 - behind only Mitoma

 

I can't believe people are constantly banging on about selling him. Work on his fitness and he will win us things. 

[Shearergol]

1 minute ago, Smal said:

Despite not playing much this season, ASM has improved massively. He's always been a good dribbler but now he is more complete. Some numbers for how he stacks up against the rest of the league's attacking mids & wingers this season (min. 10 90s):

 

Assists per 90: 0.45 - second only to KdB

Shot creating actions per 90: 4.87 - 6th behind only KdB, Bruno F, Mahrez, Maddison and Odegaard

Goal creating actions per 90: 0.81 - 5th behind only KdB, Mahrez, Grealish and Foden. Level with Saka. 

Key passes per 90: 2.26 - 5th only behind KdB, Bruno F, Maddison and Mahrez

 

Successful take-ons per 90: 7.40 - top by miles

Progressive carries per 90: 6.58 - top

Prog carrying distance per 90: 181.08 - top and only Grealish gets anywhere near

Carries into pen area per 90: 2.97 - behind only Mitoma

 

I can't believe people are constantly banging on about selling him. Work on his fitness and he will win us things. 

 

 

THAT'S the reason people bang on about selling him.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

 

 

THAT'S the reason people bang on about selling him.

 

Aye. If there was no doubt about ASM's body being up to the way that Howe wants him to play, there'd be no discussion. He could go to a counter-attacking side, easier on the body and play 30 plus league games I've no doubt, it's in the system we play where we need answers and if he can't do it, it's an asset we can sell to buy a player who can do it. 

[KingArthur]

I think all of our wingers will be sold (edit. could be sold) with the right offer. Murphy most likely will not have such a good season again next year, but he is cheap. Almiron or ASM would bring some cash in.

 

I would want to see the back of Hendrick, Lascelles, Ritchie, Dummett, Lewis, Fraser and Dubravka though this summer.

 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by KingArthur

[STM]

Is it just me that feels that it's obvious ASM will be sold in the summer? 

 

I don't think there's any issue between Howe and ASM, I just think that the chemistry isn't correct.

 

He's not a Howe "type".

He's got fitness issues.

He spends half his life in France (compare that to when Trippier broke his foot).

He's had a number of minor infractions around the training ground (being late, where he parked his car etc).

He openly criticised his teammates (Wood) to the press and while he was spot on, Howe won't like it.

He apparently wants a new contract, which will force the issue.

 

I think ASMs a joy to watch and I think Howe likes him, but given what I've written above, if we get anything like and acceptable offer for him, he's gone. I don't even see the debate.

[christ]

He’s the most obvious candidate when it comes to making some money to lessen any issues around FFP. I don’t think it’s a certainty he’ll go though. Depth of the squad is going to be an increasingly important issue and if we’re getting rid of him we’ll need another body.

[JonBez comesock]

30 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

Be crazy to sell ASM or Almiron without very decent replacements lined up.

 

We only have competent 4 wingers now, and next season we'll have far more games to play. If anything we're already short there, not blessed with extra we can get rid of.

If we are to compete in the champions league we need better than Murphy / Almiron / Maxi / Gordon 

 

All probably good enough if we are playing in the premier league v  (mid table / lower league teams) 

 

if we want to qualify for champions league every year and also do well in the champions league / Fa cup and caraboa cup 

 

we need upgrades.

 

You won’t see any of the top European teams snapping up Almiron or Murphy 

 

Maxi - Maybe (on his day) although top clubs probably won’t risk it 

 

Gordon - Very young and high ceiling 

[Smal]

32 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

 

 

THAT'S the reason people bang on about selling him.

If we can manage his fitness like we have done with Wilson this season we can get 30 games out of him next season at least. He managed 35/38 PL games last season.

 

We'd have to spend £80m to get someone of his ability to replace him. 

[Tiresias]

We will likely have champions league fixtures and everything next season. It all depends on his attitude to me, if he's on board and knows his fitness is going to be managed as he is never going to be fit enough to start every match and he accepts that we should keep him, and bring in another attacking option. If he is convinced that he should play every minute and if he's not would rather go be the main man somewhere else sell him. I would love him to stay and as those stats point out, when he's been on the pitch this season he has been really really good mostly and I trust howe to get him to string that together more than any manager previous

[Keegans Export]

5 minutes ago, Smal said:

If we can manage his fitness like we have done with Wilson this season we can get 30 games out of him next season at least. He managed 35/38 PL games last season.

 

We'd have to spend £80m to get someone of his ability to replace him. 

He's had nearly 18 months to work on his fitness with Howe and his team. And yes, on ability alone he's up there with the best we've ever had but unfortunately Eddie wants players who fit his system and ethos & I'm not sure ASM does.

 

We have three types of player - the ones we don't want to let go (Bruno, Botman, Isak), the ones we just want to get rid of (Fraser etc) and the ones we can do without but could get a decent fee for (ASM...?).

 

I haven't seen anywhere near enough of him to make an assessment but if the same people who brought us Bruno, Botman & Isak think that Diaby is the guy they want then selling Maxi to help fund that move is fine by me.

[Stottie]

1 hour ago, JonBez comesock said:

If we are to compete in the champions league we need better than Murphy / Almiron / Maxi / Gordon 

We're very likely to finish above last year's finalist with the above players. That's over a 38 game season, not what you can pull out of the bag in two legged cup games.

 

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Smal said:

If we can manage his fitness like we have done with Wilson this season we can get 30 games out of him next season at least. He managed 35/38 PL games last season.

 

We'd have to spend £80m to get someone of his ability to replace him. 

 

Difference is Wilson is 30-31 so more likely to agree to that sort of game time. Maxi is in his prime. If he's happy with squad player at that stage of his career here then perfect. I just think he'd play more games and he'd be more physically suited to another club. 

[SUPERTOON]

1 hour ago, Smal said:

If we can manage his fitness like we have done with Wilson this season we can get 30 games out of him next season at least. He managed 35/38 PL games last season.

 

We'd have to spend £80m to get someone of his ability to replace him. 

We have hardly not managed his fitness this season though in fairness. It’s not like he’s rushed back or plays every game and every minute when fit.

[ExiledGeordie]

1 hour ago, STM said:

Is it just me that feels that it's obvious ASM will be sold in the summer? 

 

I don't think there's any issue between Howe and ASM, I just think that the chemistry isn't correct.

 

He's not a Howe "type".

He's got fitness issues.

He spends half his life in France (compare that to when Trippier broke his foot).

He's had a number of minor infractions around the training ground (being late, where he parked his car etc).

He openly criticised his teammates (Wood) to the press and while he was spot on, Howe won't like it.

He apparently wants a new contract, which will force the issue.

 

I think ASMs a joy to watch and I think Howe likes him, but given what I've written above, if we get anything like and acceptable offer for him, he's gone. I don't even see the debate.

Craig Hope and Mark Douglas were pretty convinced at a fanzine thing I went to that if they’d received a decent enough offer for him last summer he’d have been sold. Situations change obviously but I agree I can see him being sold.

[LFEE]

17 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Craig Hope and Mark Douglas were pretty convinced at a fanzine thing I went to that if they’d received a decent enough offer for him last summer he’d have been sold. Situations change obviously but I agree I can see him being sold.

They were probably both getting their info from this forum ?

[ExiledGeordie]

12 minutes ago, LFEE said:

They were probably both getting their info from this forum ?

Haha fair. To be fair I know one of the local journos and he reckons old Baldy Edwards is pretty well connected regarding his info which came as a surprise to me. Make of that what you will though.

[LFEE]

5 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Haha fair. To be fair I know one of the local journos and he reckons old Baldy Edwards is pretty well connected regarding his info which came as a surprise to me. Make of that what you will though.

I’m one of the few people on here who defends LE so doesn’t surprise me at all… but let’s not restart that debate again as it’s hard enough for me trying to fend off everyone wanting to sell ASM ?

[Geordie_once_removed]

Though it'll be a real shame to see him go, he was the one bright spot in some bleak times, I can see ASM being sold this summer.

 

With Gordon, Joelinton, Isak and Anderson we have 4 players who can play his preferred position and while he would be useful given the extra games next year he's probably our most sellable player. The way FFP works any profit made on him goes straight on the books allowing the purse strings to be disproportionately loosened for other signings whose cost can be spread over the years of their contacts.

 

For these reasons, plus his fitness issues, I suspect he'll be the one sacrificed in order to make the squad more ready for playing in Europe (and qualifying again next year).

[ExiledGeordie]

6 minutes ago, LFEE said:

I’m one of the few people on here who defends LE so doesn’t surprise me at all… but let’s not restart that debate again as it’s hard enough for me trying to fend off everyone wanting to sell ASM ?

Well I’m also definitely not ITK nor do I get inside scoops ?