Still not worthy of a thread

[Kimbo]

I think she’s got some sort of personality disorder and no amount of reasoning with her will make the slightest bit of difference.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I’ve always agreed that she’s a bit unhinged and certainly not very clever with the things she says. 
 

However, saying to her face that she has a career because of “DEI” is also out of order. 
 

And I feel TalkSport is not a great forum for this chat because it’s basically all just white male ex-footballers who can’t string a sentence together. 
 

I feel like the right argument is “it’s mental to expect Ian Wright to reject jobs specifically for you”, not “you’re only working here because you’re a black woman”. 

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I’ve always agreed that she’s a bit unhinged and certainly not very clever with the things she says. 
 

However, saying to her face that she has a career because of “DEI” is also out of order. 
 

And I feel TalkSport is not a great forum for this chat because it’s basically all just white male ex-footballers who can’t string a sentence together. 
 

I feel like the right argument is “it’s mental to expect Ian Wright to reject jobs specifically for you”, not “you’re only working here because you’re a black woman”. 

Agreed.

 

I actually agree with her re: Wright. Not that he needs to give his seat up for her specifically, but someone sure. If not now - that should be an ambition.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Yeah but the problem is a systemic one for broadcast companies really. 
 

TBH there’s a problem with just employing ex-players anyway, no matter how bad they are at punditry. 

[KennyUtd]

I agree with most of that but I just think talking about it on any station or programme is better than not addressing it. She maybe should have given it a couple of days before she went on too like. It was canny uncomfortable listening if I'm honest. I'm sure Jim White went to a break as it was starting to sound like 2 blokes piling on a woman.

 

[KennyUtd]

For what it's worth I've always thought women's football should be hosted by all women. I'm not sure keeping men's football all men would go down too well though. 

[Menace]

She's just a shit pundit though, not really that surprising she's not getting work. 

[Pixelphish]

Genuinely think she has some kind of personality disorder and I'm not saying that with hatred or to try and troll. Delusions of grandeur or similar.

[Big Geordie]

4 minutes ago, KennyUtd said:

For what it's worth I've always thought women's football should be hosted by all women. I'm not sure keeping men's football all men would go down too well though. 

 

Why on the former? 

[GEFAFWISP]

5 minutes ago, Menace said:

She's just a shit pundit though, not really that surprising she's not getting work. 

How dare you call one of the main characters of the women's game a shit pundit.

[Kilcline]

Digging out Ian Wright who has done a huge amount for girls and womens football will never not be a bizarre approach and line of attack to my mind, and in the case of Aluko and her manner it pretty much just exposes her as being very self-centred and absorbed, which then stops what valid debate there probably is to be had from happening or being able to happen sensibly, which is a shame. 

[TK-421]

She dug Ian Wright out as she feels that being black he should have been doing everything he could to help her out - basically just playing the race card. However he probably knew she wasn't a good enough pundit, and that is probably the reason she'd also been dropped by most of the broadcasters too.

This whole episode isn't so much about male presenters in Women's football, but more that SHE was being overlooked for broadcasting work. And that was broached with her, and she just kept saying she was as good and/or as qualified (if not better) than others still getting the work.

She just cant accept that she wasn't really that good, kept dropping bollocks, and that is why no-one wants her on anymore.

 

 

 

Edited February 10 by TK-421

[Coffee_Johnny]

6 minutes ago, TK-421 said:

She dug Ian Wright out as she feels that being black he should have been doing everything he could to help her out - basically just playing the race card. However he probably knew she wasn't a good enough pundit, and that is probably the reason she'd also been dropped by most of the broadcasters too.

This whole episode isn't so much about male presenters in Women's football, but more that SHE was being overlooked for broadcasting work. And that was broached with her, and she just kept saying she was as good and/or as qualified (if not better) than others still getting the work.

She just cant accept that she wasn't really that good, kept dropping bollocks, and that is why no-one wants her on anymore.

 

 

 

 

I caught some of the show, not all but she seemed to be saying that because she was, for a period, selected to appear amongst top presenters she is therefore a top presenter. Which is an outrageous take, disregarding the obvious that for whatever reason (EDI quota or initial  promise) she had a chance but was found wanting. I’m sure she must have been a good footballer, but if that is her reason for thinking she was a good pundit then it is also ‘obviously’ (Pedro popped into my mind as if to prove the point…) an illogical self-serving interpretation. 

 

 

Edited February 10 by Coffee_Johnny

[alexf]

I think if there are compilation videos of you saying ridiculous things that people mock you for then it's possible you are just not a very good pundit and TV companies are likely to drop you. 

 

There is a plethora of shite male pundits aswell but that doesn't mean she isn't one also.

 

I think if she had directed her frustration at just itv execs for putting men in positions she feels women should have then she would probably have got more support. But go after the individual men that have been pundits on women's football and who are just trying to earn a living but also try to help add support and growth to it is where she falls down.

 

Expecting them to just step aside and more so to actively promote her like she suggested Wright needed to do with his "influence" is ridiculous. 

 

It makes everyone feel like she got dropped for being shit and coming out with crazy theories and bad analysis and then tried to deflect from that criticism by saying she got dropped for being a woman and/or black.

[Ben]

44 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Yeah but the problem is a systemic one for broadcast companies really. 
 

TBH there’s a problem with just employing ex-players anyway, no matter how bad they are at punditry. 

 

100% agree with this, I've probably mentioned this on here before but I watched a game on TV in Turkey a few years ago with a guy who worked as an analysist with Spurs, he was never a professional player but he was a coach, his insight to the games and the tactics/changing of tactics was mesmerising, he made Neville and Carragher seem like school boys. But, because he never had a playing career he'll never be a pundit.

 

Arh well, lets see what Micha Richards has to scream.  

[KennyUtd]

1 hour ago, Big Geordie said:

 

Why on the former? 

No other reason than it prevents all this shite. It's the women's game so let women commentate and report on it. Nothing for anyone to complain about then.

[Fak]

So what happened in Simon Jordan v. Aluko today then?

[toon25]

2 hours ago, Ben said:

 

100% agree with this, I've probably mentioned this on here before but I watched a game on TV in Turkey a few years ago with a guy who worked as an analysist with Spurs, he was never a professional player but he was a coach, his insight to the games and the tactics/changing of tactics was mesmerising, he made Neville and Carragher seem like school boys. But, because he never had a playing career he'll never be a pundit.

 

Arh well, lets see what Micha Richards has to scream.  

 

Micah Richards isn't half a fucking joke, like. 

[BlueStar]

3 hours ago, KennyUtd said:

For what it's worth I've always thought women's football should be hosted by all women. I'm not sure keeping men's football all men would go down too well though. 

 

Not having women commentating on men's football gives the impression it's "not for women", would not having any men at all presenting, pundting, interviewing etc not do the opposite and give male viewers the idea this wasn't something they were meant to be watching?

[Charlies]

 

He goes in on her & rightly so. 

[Menace]

I don't even mind Jordan as much as others, he's always mostly fair about us and Howe too. I know people on here can't stand him however.

[Ben]

8 minutes ago, Menace said:

I don't even mind Jordan as much as others, he's always mostly fair about us and Howe too. I know people on here can't stand him however.

 

I like him 95% of the time, at least he speaks his mind and you put 50p in him and you get an opinion, I was amazed Eddie Hearn left their argument in his Netflix documentary. 

[Dokko]

I feel sorry for her as a human being, struggling with life, but it is all self inflected. She doesn't have a personality to carry her (like Michah, Jill Scott or Wright), she has nothing interesting to say (even the likes of Simon Jordan has something to say, and states it very well) and her career doesn't hold any weight (like Rooney, Cole, plus 10 dozen others) outside those who care about womens football, and sorry, not enough do, certainly not to hold a position talking about the mens game. She isn't time served (Logan) and cannot present (Woods) So what does she provide? A tick in the box. That's all. Diversity qouta filled, but that isn't going to build a career. She could have used her opportunities (she's had plenty, far more than she should have) to get better, she didn't, she doubled down on being one of the thickest people on TV, with no awareness and entitlement became her thing. Not even an argument with Joey Barton could sway her enough points in the likeability stakes. 

 

The damage is done, there is no coming back into mainstream tv for football (jungle or SAS maybe). Time to get a job outside of football, unless she wants to put the hours in as a coach, but I doubt that. She'd want to be England manager after Tuchel, anything else is a discredit to her standing in the game.

[toon25]

1 minute ago, Dokko said:

I feel sorry for her as a human being, struggling with life, but it is all self inflected. She doesn't have a personality to carry her (like Michah, Jill Scott or Wright), she has nothing interesting to say (even the likes of Simon Jordan has something to say, and states it very well) and her career doesn't hold any weight (like Rooney, Cole, plus 10 dozen others) outside those who care about womens football, and sorry, not enough do, certainly not to hold a position talking about the mens game. She isn't time served (Logan) and cannot present (Woods) So what does she provide? A tick in the box. That's all. Diversity qouta filled, but that isn't going to build a career. She could have used her opportunities (she's had plenty, far more than she should have) to get better, she didn't, she doubled down on being one of the thickest people on TV, with no awareness and entitlement became her thing. Not even an argument with Joey Barton could sway her enough points in the likeability stakes. 

 

The damage is done, there is no coming back into mainstream tv for football (jungle or SAS maybe). Time to get a job outside of football, unless she wants to put the hours in as a coach, but I doubt that. She'd want to be England manager after Tuchel, anything else is a discredit to her standing in the game.

 

Spot on.

 

Aside from Jordan, I haven't heard one pundit take her task over the inordinate shite she talks. Even in that interview today she doubled down on those absurd comments on the Declan Rice transfer.

 

Doesn't matter though, she's grifting in the overseas pundit market according to her these days.

[SteV]