r0cafella Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: Isn’t it because of how good he is at the job that he’s had zero adversity though ? Not really, he’s always been so well resourced wherever he’s been. He’s literally never took on any form of challenge. he’s clearly a great manager don’t get me wrong but I can’t call him the greatest personally. as an example, do you think he could have achieved what Howe has in the same circumstances? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Not really, he’s always been so well resourced wherever he’s been. He’s literally never took on any form of challenge. he’s clearly a great manager don’t get me wrong but I can’t call him the greatest personally. as an example, do you think he could have achieved what Howe has in the same circumstances? Probably not no, however I don’t think many if any managers could achieve what Pep does regularly even if they had the resources he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, r0cafella said: I knows it’s cliche and some don’t agree but he’s had basically unlimited resources at every job, zero adversity too. He’s had unlimited resources at Man City but so have many other teams in the same league and they are still absolutely dominant. I would struggle to say that anyone has ever been better than Pep. They are so far ahead of everyone else including PSG, Real, Barca and Bayern that I think the money argument is very lazy. Hope they win the CL and Pep starts to get bored of it all and goes looking for a new challenge just for ours and PL’s sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 https://twitter.com/BigTerryChippa/status/1667095900571705344?s=20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 11 hours ago, r0cafella said: I knows it’s cliche and some don’t agree but he’s had basically unlimited resources at every job, zero adversity too. I disagree - he built that Barca side himself - the likes of Xavi - Busquets - Iniesta - Pedro weren’t even regulars under Rijkaard or even first teamers - his only notable signing were Dani Alves and Pique - then as the season went he bought Cesc and Villa (got a few wrong in Zlatan etc) That Barca team - arguably the best there’s even been was Peps (and La Masia’s) creation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Pep is one of the best managers in the world at improving players as well. He’s the best of all time, for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCK Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Mikky said: I disagree - he built that Barca side himself - the likes of Xavi - Busquets - Iniesta - Pedro weren’t even regulars under Rijkaard or even first teamers - his only notable signing were Dani Alves and Pique - then as the season went he bought Cesc and Villa (got a few wrong in Zlatan etc) That Barca team - arguably the best there’s even been was Peps (and La Masia’s) creation He's ruthless, too. As soon as he saw Eto'o and Zlatan weren't going to buy in to his methods he binned 'em. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, OCK said: He's ruthless, too. As soon as he saw Eto'o and Zlatan weren't going to buy in to his methods he binned 'em. Yep. Pundits gave him stick too when he first looked to replace Joe Hart even though he was a great shot stopper but average with his feet. Pep was right. It took a while for Aguero to buy into his methods and he was left out quite a bit to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 11 minutes ago, OCK said: He's ruthless, too. As soon as he saw Eto'o and Zlatan weren't going to buy in to his methods he binned 'em. He came in after Rijkaard and basically dismantled his team in the summer - out went the likes of Van Bommel - Deco - Ednilson as the midfield 3 - Ronaldinho sent packing - Ludvic Guily dumped - Van Bronkhorst - Belletti all gone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Pep has done excellently with Grealish too, after a season of struggling to adapt he now fits in perfectly and the selfishness is gone. He is a great coach, yes has best resources but in all sport, the best coaches end up at the best clubs, generally, yes i'd love to see what pep would do at Stoke lol but ain't gonna happen. The disproportinate resources they have is an issue (and yes even with us coming on the horizon lol) but that's not pep's doing lol. Does it count against him? Sure, coaches achieving extraordinary things with few resources is always incredible, but as annoying Pep can be god that Barca side...Just incredible to watch. Iniesta isn't underrated really, but he kinda is...what a fucking midfield that was... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Leeds sold to 49ers Enterprises. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Yep. Pundits gave him stick too when he first looked to replace Joe Hart even though he was a great shot stopper but average with his feet. Pep was right. It took a while for Aguero to buy into his methods and he was left out quite a bit to begin with. Watched a YouTube video with Joe Hart and Ben Foster recently and I literally have a better weak foot than Joe Hart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 8 hours ago, The Prophet said: Leeds sold to 49ers Enterprises. I’m glad they got their takeover, it was supposed to not go through if they went down. Their owner to me seems some legit of a chancer, and I guess looks to have lost interest in recent years, and has already bought a new club in Italy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teslact Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, The Prophet said: Leeds sold to 49ers Enterprises. Was Elland Road included? The BBC piece doesn't explicitly state it was, but does say the ground needs structural work. There was talk the owner had used the ground as collateral for the Sampdoria purchase, but maybe he has swapped it all for hard $. If not, then it really shows what a bargain we were. This 56% deal cost £170m on top of whatever they paid for the earlier 44%. He only paid £45m for the lot six years ago. Likes of Bates (and Ashley) must be fuming. Edited June 10, 2023 by Teslact Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, McCormick said: Pep is one of the best managers in the world at improving players as well. He’s the best of all time, for me. We just going to pretend like Fergie never won two European trophies with Aberdeen? Aberdeen only won 4 league titles in their history and Fergie won 3 of them. Won their first in 25 years, and nobody has won the league except Rangers and Celtic since Fergie left. He also won the Premier League with Cleverly and Anderson in midfield. Pep couldn't do that IMO. Pep is class, but he has his ideas and if someone doesn't suit he turfs them out and uses the chequebook to replace them with someone top class. Fergie often had average players scattered around the first team but was able to get 100% out of them every week. Pep walked into a Barcelona side that had already won everything in the previous couple of seasons. Xavi, Iniesta and Messi were already established key players. He walked into a Bayern Munich side that had literally just won the quadruple under Heynckes. He walked into a City side that had already won everything domestically in the few seasons prior. Fergie walked into a Man United side that hadn't won the league in 20 years. I hope Pep is a man of his word and takes over Brescia to show us what he's really made of. Edited June 10, 2023 by Froggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Froggy said: We just going to pretend like Fergie never won two European trophies with Aberdeen? Aberdeen only won 4 league titles in their history and Fergie won 3 of them. Won their first in 25 years, and nobody has won the league except Rangers and Celtic since Fergie left. He also won the Premier League with Cleverly and Anderson in midfield. Pep couldn't do that IMO. Pep is class, but he has his ideas and if someone doesn't suit he turfs them out and uses the chequebook to replace them with someone top class. Fergie often had average players scattered around the first team but was able to get 100% out of them every week. Pep walked into a Barcelona side that had already won everything in the previous couple of seasons. Xavi, Iniesta and Messi were already established key players. He walked into a Bayern Munich side that had literally just won the quadruple under Heynckes. He walked into a City side that had already won everything domestically in the few seasons prior. Fergie walked into a Man United side that hadn't won the league in 20 years. I hope Pep is a man of his word and takes over Brescia to show us what he's really made of. Froggy, lad. People can have an opinion and it not be a direct attack on Man United, it's chill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, Froggy said: We just going to pretend like Fergie never won two European trophies with Aberdeen? Aberdeen only won 4 league titles in their history and Fergie won 3 of them. Won their first in 25 years, and nobody has won the league except Rangers and Celtic since Fergie left. He also won the Premier League with Cleverly and Anderson in midfield. Pep couldn't do that IMO. Pep is class, but he has his ideas and if someone doesn't suit he turfs them out and uses the chequebook to replace them with someone top class. Fergie often had average players scattered around the first team but was able to get 100% out of them every week. Pep walked into a Barcelona side that had already won everything in the previous couple of seasons. Xavi, Iniesta and Messi were already established key players. He walked into a Bayern Munich side that had literally just won the quadruple under Heynckes. He walked into a City side that had already won everything domestically in the few seasons prior. Fergie walked into a Man United side that hadn't won the league in 20 years. I hope Pep is a man of his word and takes over Brescia to show us what he's really made of. It was a different time, man. Get over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Won't ever rate pep success,down to the money he gets not him, prefer managers who go for challenges and do well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Just now, astraguy said: Won't ever rate pep success,down to the money he gets not him, prefer managers who go for challenges and do well give over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 39 minutes ago, 54 said: Froggy, lad. People can have an opinion and it not be a direct attack on Man United, it's chill Just sharing my opinion. That was a chill response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 44 minutes ago, Froggy said: Just sharing my opinion. That was a chill response. Would hate to see you worked up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) Aye, I think Ferguson got players playing theirs best and arguably for a lot them, above their ability. If you are talking in the sense of the better football etc, then Pep is better, and if they win tonight, it will be an argument that will never be won by either side. Edited June 10, 2023 by Stifler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) To me it comes down to what is more compelling to you. Winning in different countries like Guardiola, or working your way up like Ferguson. Tbh I probably respect the latter achievement more(as a person he’s shit), but neither would be my GOAT. Edited June 10, 2023 by Kimbo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Ferguson outsourced a lot of the tactics and training to others as his career went on didn’t he? I read a book about OPTA and he was dismissive of all the new innovations that people like Pep have since mastered Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 55 minutes ago, LiquidAK said: Would hate to see you worked up 10pm tonight probably a good place to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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