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5 hours ago, McCormick said:

To be fair, my point was that we should keep targeting the best young Premier League players we can realistically afford or attract. Someone like Wharton doesn’t seem especially realistic financially, but there are others who would be.

 

Elanga was that player. Worked well so far.

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I don't think there's a good market for middling prem players anymore that can step up. You are needing to pay top dollar, so unless you are an established elite side who can afford to do that, likes of us need to be more creative. Ramsey / Wissa / Elanga were daft fees, there's no two ways about it. Hopefully we get a return over time, but it's not a business model that's sustainable moving forward.

 

Market needs to be young players where pathway is blocked for Prem elite and abroad. Banged the drum loads about the English youth pool being stupidly strong in depth, and that's what we need to captalise on whilst we're in this 8-6 club range where pressure is off for now. If it means losing someone like Tonali in the future because our progress is not moving forward at speed to challenge the title, so be it. Because if we add another 3-4 Halls/Tinos to this squad, over next 24 months, the bar will naturally rise where then adding a future Tonali etc. is what then pushes us to a title challenge. 

 

Signing the players we did this summer gone won't ever take us that next step. It's just a very expensive outlay to remain where we are, where if it was younger players we wouldn't be worse off because our bottom floor is top 8.

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6 hours ago, McCormick said:

To be fair, my point was that we should keep targeting the best young Premier League players we can realistically afford or attract. Someone like Wharton doesn’t seem especially realistic financially, but there are others who would be.

We were very close to Wharton before he went to Palace but PSR.

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4 hours ago, Kimbo said:

Young PL players get more expensive every year and PSR limits aren’t increasing. I think if we were signing Hall and Livramento last summer it would’ve been £50m+ each.

 

Disagree. Dibling is someone who's like Tino situation, went for £35m. That's still expensive for someone that's more potential than short term output, but it's never going to be £50m+

 

Not really a Lewis Hall type of transfer this summer gone because they are rare, but maybe Doak closest (in terms of pathway cut off for a top 5 side) and that was similar to what we paid for Hall. 

 

Those type of players will have a ceiling value because of three things. 1) Limited pathway to first team, so value only going to drop. 2) Likely a short length on contract because player has held of signing a new deal which is linked to point 1. 3) It's pure PSR profit, so £20m+ is great money for those clubs, as they will see it in their eyes 'plenty more in the pipeline'.

 

Josh Acheampong is the one I've wanted for past 12 months, but him signing that new contract last Xmas was a killer after he was dangled the first team chances. But then this season he's in for a run, then out again. So might be a player Chelsea look to cash in next summer, similar to Tyrique George. Chelsea just a weird club.

 

Man Utd got a very good crop coming through soon which will be worth keeping an eye on. Someone like Shae Lacey for example is talented, but spending big on Cunha / Mbuemo, and potentially again in summer, could close of a pathway for him. Probably harder to entice players away from Man Utd at a young age if they're fans, because once they leave, it's highly unlikely they will ever have chance to go back.

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47 minutes ago, McCormick said:


That’s 1 (and very early days) any more? 

 

I mean there's examples both ways - Gordon isn't exactly pulling up trees at the moment either. Ramsey is a "time will tell". Barnes was perhaps 2-3 years too late. 

 

On the flip side, Thiaw looks like the signing of the season.

 

I don't think we should have a rule on where we buy players from, it's more about finding the right player, surely?

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1 hour ago, Shearergol said:

 

I mean there's examples both ways - Gordon isn't exactly pulling up trees at the moment either. Ramsey is a "time will tell". Barnes was perhaps 2-3 years too late. 

 

On the flip side, Thiaw looks like the signing of the season.

 

I don't think we should have a rule on where we buy players from, it's more about finding the right player, surely?

 

Nah, I’m with you for the most part. Honestly, my point is we just need to keep doing what we’re doing; it’s working and there’s no need to overthink things.

 

But on Gordon, I’ve got to disagree. He’s seriously overhated imo. And if we ever decide to sell, he’s going for at least 40% more than what we paid. I’m fully confident in that.

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In the BBC transfer gossip.

 

Manchester United are eyeing Elliot Anderson, 23, as a possible replacement for Brazil international Casemiro, 33, but face competition from Liverpool and Newcastle for the £100m-rated England and Nottingham Forest midfielder. (Times - subscription required, external)

 

Manchester City could offer Trafford to Newcastle in a player-plus-cash deal to secure the services of 23-year-old England full-back Tino Livramento.

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4 hours ago, Magpie Mover said:

In the BBC transfer gossip.

 

Manchester United are eyeing Elliot Anderson, 23, as a possible replacement for Brazil international Casemiro, 33, but face competition from Liverpool and Newcastle for the £100m-rated England and Nottingham Forest midfielder. (Times - subscription required, external)

 

Manchester City could offer Trafford to Newcastle in a player-plus-cash deal to secure the services of 23-year-old England full-back Tino Livramento.

They can fuck themselves into the sun with regards to Tino

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14 hours ago, Magpie Mover said:

Manchester City could offer Trafford to Newcastle in a player-plus-cash deal to secure the services of 23-year-old England full-back Tino Livramento.

 

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