Benjamin Šeško (playing for Man United)

[oldtype]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Sorry, bit of a tl;dr

 

Post takeover, there was lots of external noise that we would be the next Chelsea or the next Man City, but internally the messaging was always way more measured, I believe "long term, patient investors" was the phrase used.

 

This was in pre-FVM world too.

 

PIF are exactly what they say on the tin, an investment fund. I wouldn't go as far to say that they're passive investors, but they're not exactly hands on either. Yasir is a Non-Exec Chair, while the other three PIF board members, perhaps bar Solis aren't involved in the day-to-day running of the club. 

 

It's kind of understandable too. We're a £300 million investment in a trillion dollar fund.

 

With this being the case, you need an elite executive structure in place, led by a strong CEO. Unfortunately a couple of months after Stavely left, Eales took ill. Allegedly he's been on medical leave the last few months, which pretty much explains everything coming to a grinding halt.

 

Now I get the board wanting to take its time finding a new CEO, it's an enormous appointment, but as soon as Eales went on medical leave an interim solution should have been sought to prevent what we're seeing now.

 

Its's compounded by not being able to hold onto a Sporting Director for more than two minutes too, with Mitchell looking like a disastrous appointment by Eales. That's a massive vacuum in the football operation.

 

PIF are hands off, bureaucratic and slow, but there's nothing to suggest they've lost interest. For me it's a lazy take for fans and pundits who don't follow or aren't interested in how the club is being ran. The current situation is being caused by losing the two most important executives in an inexperienced football operation.

 

 

 

I don't see any of this as incompatible with what I said. Obviously they haven't "lost interest" completely but I don't think anyone can argue that we're no longer one of their top priorities on the sporting side. Like you say, we are a relatively small part of their portfolio in the grand scheme of things.

[gdm]

2 minutes ago, oldtype said:

 

I don't see any of this as incompatible with what I said. Obviously they haven't "lost interest" completely but I don't think anyone can argue that we're no longer one of their top priorities on the sporting side. Like you say, we are a relatively small part of their portfolio in the grand scheme of things.

I think Amanda was driving everything and PIF were releasing the funds when asked. Just look at what she did with the women’s team. It’s no coincidence it all changed when she left 

[sushimonster85]

1 minute ago, gdm said:

I think Amanda was driving everything and PIF were releasing the funds when asked. Just look at what she did with the women’s team. It’s no coincidence it all changed when she left 

 

This, I don't think much has changed on the PIF side at all. We're not as minor as their investment in like Uber, or Disney. But they're clearly no where close to as active as they are with something like LIV. 

 

She had her faults, but Staveley clearly new which buttons to press in order to get PIF moving. Guessing she wasn't afraid to cut around the bureaucracy and go to directly who she needed to to get something moving. 

[Joelinton7]

18 minutes ago, sempuki said:

I like Transfer Checker.

 

[huss9]

2 hours ago, Rosenrot said:

That’s a really interesting article and very well written to be fair.

 i agree.

need more openly critical pieces from local journalists.

may stir the club into some kind of response and fan communication.

its basically eddie and senior players at  the moment.

 

[TRon]

59 minutes ago, JT24 said:

Wish the case was we’d be signing him BEFORE Isak left. 

 

 

You would have thought that was the sensible way to do it but we seem to have fucked every other transfer up so not really that surprising.

[TRon]

41 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Sorry, bit of a tl;dr

 

Post takeover, there was lots of external noise that we would be the next Chelsea or the next Man City, but internally the messaging was always way more measured, I believe "long term, patient investors" was the phrase used.

 

This was in pre-FVM world too.

 

PIF are exactly what they say on the tin, an investment fund. I wouldn't go as far to say that they're passive investors, but they're not exactly hands on either. Yasir is a Non-Exec Chair, while the other three PIF board members, perhaps bar Solis aren't involved in the day-to-day running of the club. 

 

It's kind of understandable too. We're a £300 million investment in a trillion dollar fund.

 

With this being the case, you need an elite executive structure in place, led by a strong CEO. Unfortunately a couple of months after Stavely left, Eales took ill. Allegedly he's been on medical leave the last few months, which pretty much explains everything coming to a grinding halt.

 

Now I get the board wanting to take its time finding a new CEO, it's an enormous appointment, but as soon as Eales went on medical leave an interim solution should have been sought to prevent what we're seeing now.

 

Its's compounded by not being able to hold onto a Sporting Director for more than two minutes too, with Mitchell looking like a disastrous appointment by Eales. That's a massive vacuum in the football operation.

 

PIF are hands off, bureaucratic and slow, but there's nothing to suggest they've lost interest. For me it's a lazy take for fans and pundits who don't follow or aren't interested in how the club is being ran. The current situation is being caused by losing the two most important executives in an inexperienced football operation.

 

 

 

 

It reflects pretty badly on the sitting board who are hands on then. Not sure who is involved, is Silverstone the main man now?

 

 

[The Prophet]

TC is a good account, but this doesn't make sense. A deal is almost in place, he's agreed terms, but it's dependant on Isak and he wants to hear Man United out.

[Turnbull2000]

4 minutes ago, huss9 said:

 i agree.

need more openly critical pieces from local journalists.

may stir the club into some kind of response and fan communication.

its basically eddie and senior players at  the moment.

 

 

The Chronicle of 20 years ago may have asked hard questions. But now we'll just get 'Newcastle suffer Isak truth as Sesko reality emerges' followed by sub-par, ChatGPT bloated nonsense.

 

These 'journalists' would be terrified of asking what the fuck is going on.

[Ashley17]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

TC is a good account, but this doesn't make sense. A deal is almost in place, he's agreed terms, but it's dependant on Isak and he wants to hear Man United out.

How does that not make sense? If it’s all true, he’s agreed terms to come here if Isak goes. But he’s keeping his options open in case Isak doesn’t go which is still very possible as it is going to need a deal to be struck for a lot of money.

[duo]

2 minutes ago, Ashley17 said:

How does that not make sense? If it’s all true, he’s agreed terms to come here if Isak goes. But he’s keeping his options open in case Isak doesn’t go which is still very possible as it is going to need a deal to be struck for a lot of money.

Or he's waiting to see if Man U come in - we need a striker in addition to Isak so makes no sense not going through if terms are agreed.  Forget Wissa - Brentford aren't interested in selling.

[The Prophet]

4 minutes ago, Ashley17 said:

How does that not make sense? If it’s all true, he’s agreed terms to come here if Isak goes. But he’s keeping his options open in case Isak doesn’t go which is still very possible as it is going to need a deal to be struck for a lot of money.

 

When you put it like that...

[madras]

1 hour ago, Ashley17 said:

How does that not make sense? If it’s all true, he’s agreed terms to come here if Isak goes. But he’s keeping his options open in case Isak doesn’t go which is still very possible as it is going to need a deal to be struck for a lot of money.

You'd think playing with Isak would be more of a draw then Isak leaving.

 

His agent is hanging on, probably tipped off about some other club waiting in the wings but possibly needing to sell one or two first.

[wong989]

2 hours ago, The Prophet said:

TC is a good account, but this doesn't make sense. A deal is almost in place, he's agreed terms, but it's dependant on Isak and he wants to hear Man United out.

Take that to mean we told him what wages we were offering, his agent is happy with it, so, provided Leipzig accept our offer, and Manure don't come in and offer a better 'project', he is willing to come. Basically he's open to it, but wants to know if theres a better offer 

[Zero]

Given how things go quickly re Elanga and Ramsdale, versus all other targets this summer, we know this is a no-goer. Next please.

[Izakaya]

€50+5 could get Ademola Lookman if this goes tits up 

[elbee909]

Waiting to hear Man United out doesn't sound like 'desperate to play for Newcastle' though eh. :/

[Loki679]

5 hours ago, The Prophet said:

 

Sorry, bit of a tl;dr

 

Post takeover, there was lots of external noise that we would be the next Chelsea or the next Man City, but internally the messaging was always way more measured, I believe "long term, patient investors" was the phrase used.

 

This was in pre-FVM world too.

 

PIF are exactly what they say on the tin, an investment fund. I wouldn't go as far to say that they're passive investors, but they're not exactly hands on either. Yasir is a Non-Exec Chair, while the other three PIF board members, perhaps bar Solis aren't involved in the day-to-day running of the club. 

 

It's kind of understandable too. We're a £300 million investment in a trillion dollar fund.

 

With this being the case, you need an elite executive structure in place, led by a strong CEO. Unfortunately a couple of months after Stavely left, Eales took ill. Allegedly he's been on medical leave the last few months, which pretty much explains everything coming to a grinding halt.

 

Now I get the board wanting to take its time finding a new CEO, it's an enormous appointment, but as soon as Eales went on medical leave an interim solution should have been sought to prevent what we're seeing now.

 

Its's compounded by not being able to hold onto a Sporting Director for more than two minutes too, with Mitchell looking like a disastrous appointment by Eales. That's a massive vacuum in the football operation.

 

PIF are hands off, bureaucratic and slow, but there's nothing to suggest they've lost interest. For me it's a lazy take for fans and pundits who don't follow or aren't interested in how the club is being ran. The current situation is being caused by losing the two most important executives in an inexperienced football operation.

 

 

 

It makes no sense that they haven't done anything on the training ground / academy then.  Long term building will require a steady stream of academy graduates we can sell off and the best way to achieve that is a top class academy and training facility.  It's free of PSR restrictions (for now) and won't break the bank like a new stadium will and yet, apart from a couple of early rumours, it's been crickets.

[Shadow Puppets]

10 minutes ago, loki679 said:

 

It makes no sense that they haven't done anything on the training ground / academy then.  Long term building will require a steady stream of academy graduates we can sell off and the best way to achieve that is a top class academy and training facility.  It's free of PSR restrictions (for now) and won't break the bank like a new stadium will and yet, apart from a couple of early rumours, it's been crickets.

What do you mean by “haven’t done anything”? They’ve got plans and been getting quotes from contractors for months. 
 

The training ground and stadium will happen, I don’t have any doubt. The speed is frustrating, but the work is still happening.

[Loki679]

4 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

What do you mean by “haven’t done anything”? They’ve got plans and been getting quotes from contractors for months. 
 

The training ground and stadium will happen, I don’t have any doubt. The speed is frustrating, but the work is still happening.

 

[TheBrownBottle]

6 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

What do you mean by “haven’t done anything”? They’ve got plans and been getting quotes from contractors for months. 
 

The training ground and stadium will happen, I don’t have any doubt. The speed is frustrating, but the work is still happening.

Which contractors have been asked to tender?  Are the designs already done, and this is construct-only?  And if so, why haven't they bought land and sought planning permission?

[LaurentRobert]

Not too fussed about this transfer falling through. We all know that we're once again being exploited by a grifter agent for leverage so that they can milk as much money out of their true target, Manchester United. 

 

When this transfer inevitably gets hijacked by Newton Heath I think the likelihood of Isak leaving this window becomes minute. 

[Shadow Puppets]

11 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Which contractors have been asked to tender?  Are the designs already done, and this is construct-only?  And if so, why haven't they bought land and sought planning permission?

I have no idea on the names of the company. One of the lads I play football with runs a company that’s been asked to quote for a fit out, specifically of the kitchen and hospitality areas of both the new training ground and new stadium (and are actively competing to win those contracts, when they happen). I don’t know him well enough to know the name of the company (or think to ask).
 

I assume that means that designs are in place for both but don’t know for sure 🤷‍♂️

 

Also, on the stadium front, I know for sure that the hospitality team were treated to artist impressions and designs for the new stadium back in March, pre cup final. Not sure whether they were final designs or just concepts though.

[Toonpack]

1 hour ago, loki679 said:

 

It makes no sense that they haven't done anything on the training ground / academy then.  Long term building will require a steady stream of academy graduates we can sell off and the best way to achieve that is a top class academy and training facility.  It's free of PSR restrictions (for now) and won't break the bank like a new stadium will and yet, apart from a couple of early rumours, it's been crickets.

 

How do you know they've done nothing ? 

 

Of course it's crickets - Until they've drawn up final designs, found a suitable location for it and applied for planning permission what do you expect to hear ?

[Ben]

6 hours ago, Turnbull2000 said:

 

The Chronicle of 20 years ago may have asked hard questions. But now we'll just get 'Newcastle suffer Isak truth as Sesko reality emerges' followed by sub-par, ChatGPT bloated nonsense.

 

These 'journalists' would be terrified of asking what the fuck is going on.

 

100% agree, Alan Oliver would have this situation sorted by now.