Jacob Ramsey

[500bhp]

Of the £150m we spent on the three PL experienced players this was the one I didn't get at the time. We sold Longstaff for £12m-£15m and he seems to be having a good season at Leeds, and replaced him with this guy for £43m. 

 

He's taken on the Longstaff role perfectly. Sit on the bench and come on for 15 mins at the end of every other game. Maybe I'm missing something really obvious with Ramsey but he seems too lightweight for our robust style of play. Would look better at Man City. And we handed a massive PSR boost to one of our closest rivals. 

[Kid Icarus]

I don't get the focus on Ramsey tbh, Howe could have also brought Willock on.

 

Really not sure how much trying to do the opposite of 23/24 is playing its part here, but we don't seem to be getting the balance right. Maybe there's a bit of result bias influencing that feeling though.

[Lush Vlad]

It’s hard to judge him in about 4 game’s worth of minutes. If he’d played 10-15 games. Then become a bench warmer that barely gets a look in off the back of bad performances. Then I could understand how some people could be passing judgement on him. 
 

It is odd that he’s barely had a kick, though. Plenty of games that would have suited his style. No idea when he is going to get a start. As he seems about 6th choice CM and 3rd choice LW at the minute. 
 

He must be shite in training  

[aussiemag]

He looked good before his ankle injury. Since he’s come back he hasn’t looked sharp at all. 

[nufc123]

13 minutes ago, aussiemag said:

 Since he’s come back he hasn’t looked sharp at all. 

Well he hasnt played so difficult to judge .

[Gallowgate Toon]

I'd have him starting for Joelinton on Saturday. Burnley will likely sit back a lot so it's not the game for Willock imo.

[jemo96]

Is he supposed to be a replacement for Joelinton or Willock? They do need an upgrade. 

[madras]

Just now, jemo96 said:

Is he supposed to be a replacement for Joelinton or Willock? They do need an upgrade. 

Alternative style leading on to replacement I think.

[LFEE]

Maybe this seasons Gordon/Hall in a Howe incubator until after Xmas.

[JP]

We were desperate for running power/ball carriers in the 2nd half.

 

Amazed we didn't see Joelinton off and Willock or Ramsey on.

 

[Unbelievable]

17 hours ago, Conjo said:

 

There's less risk of PL players needing time to adjust to our team, but there will always be a risk associated with new players regardless of their experience. We paid extra to reduce that risk, it didn't pay off. We just need to hope he can become an important player for us even if he doesn't justify the premium we paid.

It’s just nonsense really, this thing about PL experience and paying a premium because it reduces risk. Many of our better players didn’t have any PL experience when they joined, and from what I can tell the players with PL experience don’t exactly hit the ground running here either.

[Conjo]

24 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

It’s just nonsense really, this thing about PL experience and paying a premium because it reduces risk. Many of our better players didn’t have any PL experience when they joined, and from what I can tell the players with PL experience don’t exactly hit the ground running here either.

 

I agree, but the club/decision makers clearly sees PL experience as a way to mitigate risk of buying a player incapable of adapting to the league and the way we play, and are willing to pay for it.

[Lush Vlad]

8 hours ago, aussiemag said:

He looked good before his ankle injury. Since he’s come back he hasn’t looked sharp at all. 

Didn’t he only play about 20 minutes v Liverpool when he looked decent enough. Then got injured v Leeds after playing a half? 
 

Not sure there is a big enough sample size before or after the injury. He’s barely got a look in. 

[TheBrownBottle]

20 hours ago, 500bhp said:

Of the £150m we spent on the three PL experienced players this was the one I didn't get at the time. We sold Longstaff for £12m-£15m and he seems to be having a good season at Leeds, and replaced him with this guy for £43m. 

 

He's taken on the Longstaff role perfectly. Sit on the bench and come on for 15 mins at the end of every other game. Maybe I'm missing something really obvious with Ramsey but he seems too lightweight for our robust style of play. Would look better at Man City. And we handed a massive PSR boost to one of our closest rivals. 

I think I understand the logic - it’s Joelinton who needed competition / replacement in midfield.  It’s the weakest point of the midfield three.  So far for various reasons the lad hasn’t been given the chance to start - Howe will have his reasons.  Too early to write the lad off, but it does make me question the logic of paying a ‘PL premium’ if the lad isn’t going to be chucked straight in (in fact it’s a waste of money).  

[TRon]

6 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I think I understand the logic - it’s Joelinton who needed competition / replacement in midfield.  It’s the weakest point of the midfield three.  So far for various reasons the lad hasn’t been given the chance to start - Howe will have his reasons.  Too early to write the lad off, but it does make me question the logic of paying a ‘PL premium’ if the lad isn’t going to be chucked straight in (in fact it’s a waste of money).  

 

He does fit the positional criteria as being a replacement/competion for Joelinton, but he doesn't really look like an upgrade. He had an injury which kept him out for a few weeks but other than that we've barely seen him. I would have expected to see him used a lot more considering his PL experience. 

[Sibierski]

Think issue I have (and maybe others too) him as the competition for Joelinton was the wrong decision, just like Elanga for RW. It was more players of the same (runners) and still no technical players. 
 

We had Willock already (admittedly had a poor 24 months) who could offer what Ramsey will. Instead we spent big on Ramsey, probably can get £12m for Willock at some point, then it’s another £40m+ on a CM. £80m to move the needle a little isn’t sensible squad building.

 

We love to defend all our deals, but unless we nail some seriously good buys moving forward, we’re going to have a squad that’s close to £700m soon and it be a bit meh. Loveable, but :/ for what they can do in terms of closing the gap.

[Lotus]

Sometimes players only need to be a few % below their operating standard to look quite ropey. That little extra sharpness, shifting of balance, etc elevates them.

Willock is an example. 
Whether it’s mental or a genuine need to be tack sharp to perform I don’t know. You do see it though. It’s a limitation for sure, you’d want a top footballer to adapt to the condition they’re in but I guess some find it easier to do than others. 

[Lush Vlad]

Again.  How are people forming opinions on his time here one way or the other.  When he has played the equivalent of 4 lots of 90 minutes?!  Only 2 starts in there and all, the first one he looked decent and was one of our better players in an otherwise poor performance.  But he was injured early on and came off at half time  

 

I don't think he is the same as Willock or Joelinton at all.  He doesn't have the power or defending ability of Joelinton.  Or the raw pace and running ability of Willock.  However, he is far better on the ball, finds space really well and I think will offer more in attack.  Just for whatever reason, he hasn't had a chance to showcase his abilities yet.

 

It's sort of similar to Elanga.  Neither have had a run in the side or enough meaningful minutes for them to find some form and us fans to actually have a solid opinion on them.  Although granted, Elanga has had a lot more minutes and has had some really crap games, mixed in with some alright stuff. 

[TRon]

6 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Again.  How are people forming opinions on his time here one way or the other.  When he has played the equivalent of 4 lots of 90 minutes?!  Only 2 starts in there and all, the first one he looked decent and was one of our better players in an otherwise poor performance.  But he was injured early on and came off at half time  

 

I don't think he is the same as Willock or Joelinton at all.  He doesn't have the power or defending ability of Joelinton.  Or the raw pace and running ability of Willock.  However, he is far better on the ball, finds space really well and I think will offer more in attack.  Just for whatever reason, he hasn't had a chance to showcase his abilities yet.

 

It's sort of similar to Elanga.  Neither have had a run in the side or enough meaningful minutes for them to find some form and us fans to actually have a solid opinion on them.  Although granted, Elanga has had a lot more minutes and has had some really crap games, mixed in with some alright stuff. 

 

 

Well you can only form an opinion on what you have seen. These are PL ready players so if they are not playing more, it's because they aren't performing.  

[The College Dropout]

23 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

Think issue I have (and maybe others too) him as the competition for Joelinton was the wrong decision, just like Elanga for RW. It was more players of the same (runners) and still no technical players. 
 

We had Willock already (admittedly had a poor 24 months) who could offer what Ramsey will. Instead we spent big on Ramsey, probably can get £12m for Willock at some point, then it’s another £40m+ on a CM. £80m to move the needle a little isn’t sensible squad building.

 

We love to defend all our deals, but unless we nail some seriously good buys moving forward, we’re going to have a squad that’s close to £700m soon and it be a bit meh. Loveable, but :/ for what they can do in terms of closing the gap.

I don’t mind getting similar profiles but they have to be better in numerous ways.  
 

Tonali is a similar profile to Longstaff but he’s better at everything.  
 

Id be happy with Elanga if he had Gordon or Barnes overall touch and football ability plus his pace and delivery. But he’s actually the same level of footballer as Murphy, maybe worse.  
 

Ramsey isn’t aa strong a runner as Joelinton or prime Willock. Maybe a little more ball secure but doesn’t offer any more than they do based on fleeting appearances. 
 

For the money you would want high ceiling.  

[The College Dropout]

They haven’t had a run because they haven’t been good enough. With the PL experience they have which has increased their fee they should be contributing.  
 

Being behind Joe Willock in the pecking order is wild.

[sixx]

We can slice it however we want but at present he’s one of the worst PL signings of the season. I still believe he can be very useful to us but he has a long, long way to go to justify his pricetag.

[The College Dropout]

I’ve also just not been impressed with his  ability in his fleeting cameos.  
 

Looks too light weight for midfield. Not creative or devastating enough to play LW.  
 

Hoping for the best. Seems a nice lad. Hopefully earns some starts. 

[TRC]

Burnley is a great game for him to show us what he can do.

[TRon]

2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

I’ve also just not been impressed with his  ability in his fleeting cameos.  
 

Looks too light weight for midfield. Not creative or devastating enough to play LW.  
 

Hoping for the best. Seems a nice lad. Hopefully earns some starts. 

 

 

Agree on the lightweight assessment, that's why he gives me Willock vibes. Although it's still early days, and even if you aren't the most combative midifielder, you can make up for it with skill and end product. He might still have all that in his locker, I just haven't seen it yet.