ponsaelius Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, manorpark said: Here is a CGI of what has been approved to be built on the "St James' Metro Station Car Park" site. The local media keep calling this 'Strawberry Place', which it is not called. Strawberry Place has already been built around the Strawberry Pub (it is now the Home Group Office Block). The St James' Park Metro Station Project (seen here) is called "One St James' . . . Semantics as the development is adjacent to Strawberry Place. That's the one I meant and it's an issue if the developers do build it. Edited June 30, 2022 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, RodneyCisse said: Is it actually going to be offices or just more student accommodation? The St James' Park Metro Station Site (One St James') consists of four large buildings. 1 x Residential, not for students. 2 x Office Blocks. 1 x Radisson Red Hotel (the tallest block of the 4). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, ponsaelius said: Semantics as the development is adjacent to Strawberry Place. That's the one I meant and it's an issue if the developers do build it. I am only telling you what the local media call it !! Their mastermind specialist subject is "getting things wrong" - particularly the Chronicle! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 You know for a fact that the club will want to buy the land back. And it would easy return for the developers with none of the effort or risk. But they seem to be ploughing on ahead at the moment - got to wonder if it's one big game of poker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Radisson ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, ponsaelius said: You know for a fact that the club will want to buy the land back. And it would easy return for the developers with none of the effort or risk. But they seem to be ploughing on ahead at the moment - got to wonder if it's one big game of poker. Original contractors went bust after all the materials were purchased, only to be taken over by another firm not long after was the rumour going around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 I thought the owners of the metro land went bust? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: You know for a fact that the club will want to buy the land back. And it would easy return for the developers with none of the effort or risk. But they seem to be ploughing on ahead at the moment - got to wonder if it's one big game of poker. be the easiest profit for them in the world versus banking on office/resi/retail recovery after 2-3+ Years of development and continued rising labor and material costs. From a hotel perspective I couldn’t think of a worse brand for something that close to that magnificent ground of ours. Those developers haven’t a clue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kanji said: be the easiest profit for them in the world versus banking on office/resi/retail recovery after 2-3+ Years of development and continued rising labor and material costs. From a hotel perspective I couldn’t think of a worse brand for something that close to that magnificent ground of ours. Those developers haven’t a clue. Didn't Ashley sell it to his son in law, or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Kanji said: be the easiest profit for them in the world versus banking on office/resi/retail recovery after 2-3+ Years of development and continued rising labor and material costs. From a hotel perspective I couldn’t think of a worse brand for something that close to that magnificent ground of ours. Those developers haven’t a clue. When you have a sportswashing project with unlimited funds next door the potential sale value far outstrips the normal market value of city centre land in Newcastle and the potential profit margins. I'd be amazed if they don't want to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Agree mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: When you have a sportswashing project with unlimited funds next door the potential sale value far outstrips the normal market value of city centre land in Newcastle and the potential profit margins. I'd be amazed if they don't want to sell. Yes, there is a definite chance (a strong chance) that the club will be able to buy the St James' Metro Station Car Park land back. Particularly with Jamie Reuben involved, as the 'Reuben Brothers' already own many large areas of the City Centre already, and property/land development is his primary business! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, manorpark said: I am only telling you what the local media call it !! Their mastermind specialist subject is "getting things wrong" - particularly the Chronicle! Nah...their specialist subject is 'guessing'. Say 100 things and if one out of that hundred is correct claiming that their sources at NUFC told them. The other 99 are immediately forgotten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Not sure what is actually happening with the land at the car park, but those that did originally buy it are dodgy as fuck. We did a load of work for them on another project *cough Hadrians Towers cough* of theirs and it's been nothing but a ball ache. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 15 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: The Amsterdam Arena has a road running under. The problem at SJP is the Metro line underneath - this makes it a civil engineering nightmare. I don't think extending the Gallowgate is likely; it definitely wouldn't be worth it from a cost perspective. Possibly move the Metro station/reconfigure the line. Would cost hundreds of billions, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said: Can't remember who it was on here, might have been Sewelley pointed out that the Leazes Terrace section of this would still be more or less up to their front doors and completely restrict the light getting to them. If you take the designs and put it over the map it's right like, it wouldn't work I don't think. Big shame. I did, although others might have too. From rough measurements on Google Earth it would result in a stand the height of the Leazes 12m from Leazes Terrace, there's precisely 0% chance of that being acceptable both in terms of heritage or residential amenity impacts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 The cost of a totally brand new stadium elsewhere would likely be from 500m to 1bn, it would be more prudent of the owners to look at every conceivable way to increase the current capacity and to remain at SJP. I personally don’t think we’d fill an 80k seater stadium regularly, especially if it’s out of town. A 65k + capacity is more than enough and doable and would cost hundreds of billions less than a new stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, manorpark said: Yes, there is a definite chance (a strong chance) that the club will be able to buy the St James' Metro Station Car Park land back. Particularly with Jamie Reuben involved, as the 'Reuben Brothers' already own many large areas of the City Centre already, and property/land development is his primary business! Indeed. But the owner has planning permission for a development which could potentially restrict extension and therefore removes any use of the land of to the club. So they have a strong hand. And like I say they seem to be going on business as usual at the moment with intention to start on site. The potential for a new Gallowgate extension and associated club related development (superstore etc) on the car park site could be incredible - bringing the metro station to life too (perhaps even incorporating entrances into the stadium?). Under any other ownership the engineering and land ownership issues of extending the Gallowgate I would have said were a complete no go simply due to cost and benefit. Not sure that is the case now. Edited June 30, 2022 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, HTT II said: The cost of a totally brand new stadium elsewhere would likely be from 500m to 1bn, it would be more prudent of the owners to look at every conceivable way to increase the current capacity and to remain at SJP. I personally don’t think we’d fill an 80k seater stadium regularly, especially if it’s out of town. A 65k + capacity is more than enough and doable and would cost hundreds of billions less than a new stadium. Totally agree on this. I'm speaking as someone that hasn't been able to get my ST back (the risk you take I suppose). But a 60-65k stadium is MORE than enough imo and surely is more cost effective than building a new stadium. I can;t recall the cost floating around in 2007 for the extension but was it not around £50m? https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/united-plan-a-60000-ground-1490092 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, TheGuv said: Totally agree on this. I'm speaking as someone that hasn't been able to get my ST back (the risk you take I suppose). But a 60-65k stadium is MORE than enough imo and surely is more cost effective than building a new stadium. I can;t recall the cost floating around in 2007 for the extension but was it not around £50m? https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/united-plan-a-60000-ground-1490092 The prices today would be quite a lot more no doubt, but again much cheaper than relocating and building a new stadium from scratch. I’m confident our owners will explore every option to expand the current capacity and I’m lead to believe they have committed a few million already just for internal work on the stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, HTT II said: The prices today would be quite a lot more no doubt, but again much cheaper than relocating and building a new stadium from scratch. I’m confident our owners will explore every option to expand the current capacity and I’m lead to believe they have committed a few million already just for internal work on the stadium. Yeah I know they ringfenced around £9m for internal works on the stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 16 hours ago, Wandy said: They have obviously seen this mock-up and thought "Bingo". What would be the capacity of this ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ben said: What would be the capacity of this ? Not enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, Manxst said: Not enough. Must be 60,000 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, Ben said: Must be 60,000 ? Yeah, it would be around that I think. Personally think we need more than that though. But as the drawn out arguments have already stated, it’s a choice whether to leave SJP or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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