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I wasn't too concerned going into last week's game against Leicester, but it was a huge step backward. Our worst performance of the season. It was much more alarming to me than our current league position. We need to snap out of it straight away.

 

 

 

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I wasn't too concerned going into last week's game against Leicester, but it was a huge step backward. Our worst performance of the season. It was much more alarming to me than our current league position. We need to snap out of it straight away.

 

 

 

 

You weren't concerned after the Bournemouth game?

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Keegan comparisons? My God.

 

Keegan 2nd stint started halfway through a season and it took him about 2 months to figure everyone out. SMC had all pre-season.

There were clear signs of progress a few weeks ago, IMO. Obviously the last 2 games have been rubbish but we were looking a somewhat competent team that was finding some balance and form going forward for 4/5 matches.

 

What? 2 games? Awful at Bournemouth as well. Kept a clean sheet against the second lowest scoring team in the division at home in Stoke. Awful.

 

The only thing SMC has introduced is tactical movements that look interesting but don't contribute to anything tangible for example - Anita to RB as Janmaat pushes forward. And now we play some nice stuff within our own half on occasion. That's it. That's not progress.

 

The previous 5 games includes a defeat to Sunderland and a battering against City. Some games before include a home losses to Sheffield United & Watford.

 

I like my "clear signs of progress" to come with some wins.

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:thup:. McClaren is s***. We would be comfortably midtable under a half decent manager.

 

If, by midtable, you mean 10th/11th, I think you're grossly underestimating the deficiencies of the squad. We simply don't have a very good team.

Most of the bottom half have poor teams, they also have managers who can knit them into a team and coax performances.

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:thup:. McClaren is s***. We would be comfortably midtable under a half decent manager.

 

If, by midtable, you mean 10th/11th, I think you're grossly underestimating the deficiencies of the squad. We simply don't have a very good team.

Most of the bottom half have poor teams, they also have managers who can knit them into a team and coax performances.

 

From the 6 teams directly above us, we have more quality than a maximum of 3 of them (Watford, WBA & Norwich). Watford is out of ignorance and WBA is very close. We are a bottom 6/7 team as a whole. We could do better with a good manager but the team is crap regardless.

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:thup:. McClaren is s***. We would be comfortably midtable under a half decent manager.

 

If, by midtable, you mean 10th/11th, I think you're grossly underestimating the deficiencies of the squad. We simply don't have a very good team.

Most of the bottom half have poor teams, they also have managers who can knit them into a team and coax performances.

 

From the 6 teams directly above us, we have more quality than a maximum of 3 of them (Watford, WBA & Norwich). Watford is out of ignorance and WBA is very close. We are a bottom 6/7 team as a whole. We could do better with a good manager but the team is crap regardless.

 

here we go again, stoke and palace aren't that much ahead of us if at all, they just have better spines

 

that takes you to 10th in the league man, mid table, which is where we should arguably be ffs

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The squad we have and the talent at our disposal should see us mid table easily.  Yes, we have deficiencies but so does every other club outside the money boys.  You can't look at the likes of Palace or WBA and say our squad is worse than theirs, our manager on the other hand....

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We were poor against Bournemouth for sure. Based on quality chances created though, I would have said we were more unlucky against Stoke than lucky against Bournemouth, so its swings and roundabouts. If that's the best Bournemouth can do when clearly on top in a game, they will be relegated. I think most people would say we were hard done by against the mackems.

 

So going into last week's game, I thought we could have easily had a couple of more points on the board. Our defending against Leicester though was simply inept. We also failed to create anything at home, while losing, against one of the leagues' worst defences. Based on that alone, you'd have to say we looked like a cert for relegation. There were no positive signs at all.

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The squad we have and the talent at our disposal should see us mid table easily.  Yes, we have deficiencies but so does every other club outside the money boys.  You can't look at the likes of Palace or WBA and say our squad is worse than theirs, our manager on the other hand....

 

i was just thinking about the TCD's post before and aye stoke and palace may have ostensibly better squads than ours but one of them has fucking pardew as manager and the other has hughes who is above average at absolute best

 

the original point was a good manager gets more out of the squad and we're not in relegation trouble :lol:

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The squad we have and the talent at our disposal should see us mid table easily.  Yes, we have deficiencies but so does every other club outside the money boys.  You can't look at the likes of Palace or WBA and say our squad is worse than theirs, our manager on the other hand....

a mid-table squad has a defense fit for purpose we do not I look at wbas and palaces squads and see while they're not great they can at least fucking defend

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hahahahahahahahahahaha he is aboslutely clueless and completely spineless. yet another fucking scapegoat, Cisse is lazy, uniterested and has wanted to be away from her for yonks. hope we go down

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:thup:. McClaren is s***. We would be comfortably midtable under a half decent manager.

 

If, by midtable, you mean 10th/11th, I think you're grossly underestimating the deficiencies of the squad. We simply don't have a very good team.

Most of the bottom half have poor teams, they also have managers who can knit them into a team and coax performances.

 

From the 6 teams directly above us, we have more quality than a maximum of 3 of them (Watford, WBA & Norwich). Watford is out of ignorance and WBA is very close. We are a bottom 6/7 team as a whole. We could do better with a good manager but the team is crap regardless.

 

here we go again, stoke and palace aren't that much ahead of us if at all, they just have better spines

 

My Lord - what a stupid post. The spine of a team is responsible for a disproportionate amount of a teams success. A team is only as good as its spine.

 

"They're not better than us, they just have a better spine". Yeah unless you have Cronaldo at LAM, that's exactly what it means. Stupidest point i've ever read on this forum. Well done Mojo.

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:thup:. McClaren is s***. We would be comfortably midtable under a half decent manager.

 

If, by midtable, you mean 10th/11th, I think you're grossly underestimating the deficiencies of the squad. We simply don't have a very good team.

Most of the bottom half have poor teams, they also have managers who can knit them into a team and coax performances.

 

From the 6 teams directly above us, we have more quality than a maximum of 3 of them (Watford, WBA & Norwich). Watford is out of ignorance and WBA is very close. We are a bottom 6/7 team as a whole. We could do better with a good manager but the team is crap regardless.

 

here we go again, stoke and palace aren't that much ahead of us if at all, they just have better spines

 

My Lord - what a stupid post. The spine of a team is responsible for a disproportionate amount of a teams success. A team is only as good as its spine.

 

"They're not better than us, they just have a better spine". Yeah unless you have Cronaldo at LAM, that's exactly what it means. Stupidest point i've ever read on this forum. Well done Mojo.

 

:lol:

 

OK man, never in the history of football has a team with a weak spine and good manager dragged themselves to more than 10 points from 13 games

 

managers are the most important people in the game, don't listen to AP for a change, managers can make a difference

 

there's no way this squad should be where they are IF they had a good manager, it's not difficult

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Your comprehension skills are awful. SMC is a poor manager but the squad isn't significantly better. We should be doing better but we are long way (and yes, a spine of a team is a long way) from being in that bracket just below the top 6-7 with Everton or Soton.

 

This isn't 1972. The most important thing in modern football is money. Making the people who control it - the most important people. That's why you get Abramovic or Venky's.

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Your comprehension skills are awful. SMC is a poor manager but the squad isn't significantly better. We should be doing better but we are long way (and yes, a spine of a team is a long way) from being in that bracket just below the top 6-7 with Everton or Soton.

 

This isn't 1972. The most important thing in modern football is money. Making the people who control it - the most important people. That's why you get Abramovic or Venky's.

 

you're clueless man, utterly clueless - every single season at least one manager comes in and makes a difference without money to keep a team up or better when the plodding failure is sacked

 

even on that basic level my point is proven but if you don't think we should have more than 10 points at this stage with a good manager there's no hope for you, get yourself down to selhurst there's a guy waiting for the likes of you

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