Chris_R Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Decent idea, but the "If it doesn't work, we'll give all your money to charity" bit doesn't sit right with me. Plus that needs a timescale, or at least clear and transparent conditions attached to it. Way too nebulous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 They can't win, like. People will slate them regardless of whatever ideas they come up with. I'm all for it. Donate what you can afford, and worst case scenario it's going to a local charity. Does it really matter if that ends up being in a year's time? Best case scenario, the Trust ends up owning a proportion of the club, and its members have an actual say for once in the running of NUFC. For a quid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Just now, Chris_R said: Decent idea, but the "If it doesn't work, we'll give all your money to charity" bit doesn't sit right with me. Plus that needs a timescale, or at least clear and transparent conditions attached to it. Way too nebulous. There's pretty clear process attached to it - and any decisions go to vote of Members. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, 54 said: Well thats just absolute horseshite It really isnt. This lot at NUST seem intent on ramping up the very worst stereotype views of the city of Newcastle and it's support. Us Geordies man, we all love Greggs and we've got nothing else in our lives except the football club. Monumentally and excuciatingly embarrasing and a million miles from the truth. I have no idea what has happened to Caulkin either. Once a very good journalist and now just cringeworthy as fuck. Edited April 8, 2021 by Wandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Well I'm in just for the Helsinki shout-out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 It's a good idea, but I worry about the timing of this. Most folk (myself included) haven't got much cash due to the pandemic, etc. It's asking a lot for something that probably won't come off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) I like the idea, the four guardians have a lot to lose with their reputations if this goes tits up. Edited April 8, 2021 by Ben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 More ambition than the club has shown for a decade. If you don't like it you don't have to be part of it, there doesn't need to be any drama attached. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 So if I donate a big wedge will I get more say than the man who donates a quid? the whole thing seems far too complicated. have they got some wealthy fans waiting in the wings with some hefty donations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Just now, ED209 said: So if I donate a big wedge will I get more say than the man who donates a quid? the whole thing seems far too complicated. have they got some wealthy fans waiting in the wings with some hefty donations? One member, one vote. It's all there in the FAQs on the website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Why would a future buyer of the club let fans own a share? Would there actually be any discernible benefit to fans owning a share? Unless it was a significant stake there doesn't seem to be much point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Greg said: There's pretty clear process attached to it - and any decisions go to vote of Members. I must have missed that, it didn't seem to be something I could find. Is there a link to the process? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 I'm dubious that it'll ever come to fruition but I'm more than on board with the principle of fan ownership, and that idea has to start somewhere. Politically it'll never be like it is in Germany, where it's regulated that there has to be majority fan ownership, so something like this is the only way it could possibly be achieved. It's ambitious and a very small, no-pressure, ask of the global fanbase. And the worst thing that can possibly happen is some local charities are supported. I don't even see the issue with no timescale. It'll fail when it fails (if it does). I'm all for it tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 minute ago, OpenC said: More ambition than the club has shown for a decade. If you don't like it you don't have to be part of it, there doesn't need to be any drama attached. Don't you dare get in the way of people having a whinge, it's a british past time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie87 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Thrown in £50. Might as well. QQ: What if PIF pledge £330m? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Wandy said: It really isnt. This lot at NUST seem intent on ramping up the very worst stereotype views of the city of Newcastle and it's support. Us Geordies man, we all love Greggs and we've got nothing else in our lives except the football club. Monumentally and excuciatingly embarrasing and a million miles from the truth. I have no idea what has happened to Caulkin either. Once a very good journalist and now just cringeworthy as fuck. Whats the alternative then? everything else has failed. Atleast they're try something, it may work, it may not, but fans having a voice in the running of football clubs is something every fan should want, and this is a way to try and make that happen. Calling it embarrassing and thinking "What do the mackens think" makes you part of the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Think of it long term. It’s not going to happen under Ashley but let’s say Staveley and co own us, I could see them selling a tiny percentage. I imagine any new owner would do the same as it’s getting the fans onside immediately. A lot of people think we will go down and not come back. The value of the club will plummet and eventually Ashley will leave. By then the Trust could be in a position to own or part own the club. If the mackems (and various other clubs) had done this they would have been in a position to do something when their club was on its knees. It’s safeguarding, if we get taken over by someone filthy rich it won’t matter and it’ll go to charity anyway. Don’t misconstrue this as the trust trying to buy the club tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorCoarse Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 15 minutes ago, xLiaaamx said: Give is lottery numbers please. Lol 1 , 2, 4, ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 I'd be interested to know what sorts of number's they are hoping for/expecting and the duration of time they expect to be going for. If they get the 52k doing a pound a month it's 624k a year. I think to sell the idea some information about what a lower league club would cost plus how it would then be funded given the debt the club would presumably be in. How much would they need a month for it to be a conceivable option in the next ten years. Not being negative genuinely interested on what the number needed to be relevant is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 The word embarrassing is the most overused and redundant word used in the context of fan behaviour. Whose behalf people embarrassed upon? Sure as shit ain’t mine. I couldn’t give a fuck what Sunderland fans think and looking through the prism of that is so small time it’s untrue. I’m all for how will this work and debate and healthy scepticism but we’ve a Damocles sword of relegation, a sovereign state accused of murder and sportswashing or a disaster capitalist who literally v’s up the fans as our current options. Halle-fucking-jullah someone is promoting a way that doesn’t pander to the EPL, the myriad cretins who protect the jobs for boys product. I don’t know if it will work but fed up of pretending we’re a football club in any meaningful sense or that I should embrace PIF and they are my options. More needs to happen like this in wider society too to be honest because at the minute life and debate around it stinks. Mackems ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, Wandy said: It really isnt. This lot at NUST seem intent on ramping up the very worst stereotype views of the city of Newcastle and it's support. Us Geordies man, we all love Greggs and we've got nothing else in our lives except the football club. Monumentally and excuciatingly embarrasing and a million miles from the truth. I have no idea what has happened to Caulkin either. Once a very good journalist and now just cringeworthy as fuck. You're a fucking shambles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorCoarse Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Having a small percentage of the club gives you zero input into how the club is run . If the same people plus the ' supa ' fan types actually advocated not going the club would collapse and it would take maybe a few relegations to get us into the position where we were worth next to nowt . Thats the only way fans could afford to buy enough of the club to have a real say ( 51% ) . Anything else is moonshine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Darth Crooks said: The word embarrassing is the most overused and redundant word used in the context of fan behaviour. Whose behalf people embarrassed upon? Sure as shit ain’t mine. I couldn’t give a fuck what Sunderland fans think and looking through the prism of that is so small time it’s untrue. I’m all for how will this work and debate and healthy scepticism but we’ve a Damocles sword of relegation, a sovereign state accused of murder and sportswashing or a disaster capitalist who literally v’s up the fans as our current options. Halle-fucking-jullah someone is promoting a way that doesn’t pander to the EPL, the myriad cretins who protect the jobs for boys product. I don’t know if it will work but fed up of pretending we’re a football club in any meaningful sense or that I should embrace PIF and they are my options. More needs to happen like this in wider society too to be honest because at the minute life and debate around it stinks. Mackems ffs. Totally agree. The amount of blushing Charlie’s we have here alone is staggering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, neesy111 said: You're a fucking shambles. Edited April 8, 2021 by loki679 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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