ponsaelius Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Well, he claims losing Pardew would be a 'blow' and an example of another humuliating implosion. So no, he's not right at all. He's a clueless fat fuck writing about something he has no clue about. Unless you're an Alan Pardew fan, which at this point is tantamount to perversion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Someone should change the thread title. It has become Alan Pardew thread II. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 We should be trying to be above all of them. The best way to try and be above any of them is to be a complete flat-track bully. The preposterous myth that has grown up during the Premier League era is that the clubs that can't compete financially with the top one or two, can't therefore compete for places. How does Man City's money stop Newcastle beating Swansea or Hull or sunderland? It doesn't but clubs like ours want the fans to think that it does so they don't have to spend any money, or hire anyone more than a League One reject to be the manager, and a significant proportion of the crowd lap it up, go home and take photos of the league table if we're 7th on goal difference. The facts are that Arsenal's record against the clubs around them (other than Spurs, who they ritually humiliate the way we used to do to the mackems before Alan Pardew rocked up) is horrendous, relatively speaking. So was Bobby Robson's, with some notable exceptions - shit at Anfield, shit at Old Trafford, shit at Stamford Bridge and we generally got turned over at home by better sides too but most of the sides in the bottom half who came to SJP were disdainfully swatted away like an errant fly. That will get you far more points over a season than spending most of the year patting yourself on the back for being the latest in a long line to get one over David Moyes whilst Steve Bruce and Gus Poyet come to Newcastle and get Alan Pardew to wipe their arse and carry their bags to the bus. You generally need about 70 points on average to take 4th place and most teams who get 4th win around 19-21 games and draws make up the rest. If you win your home games against the rubbish, as a Newcastle team (and certainly this team, as it was three weeks ago) always should, and have half decent away form, you should be there or thereabouts without even needing to get a single point against Man City or Chelsea or Arsenal. 13 home wins, 3 draws, 4 defeats 8 away wins, 5 draws, 7 defeats That would be Champions League form. Really not too much to ask for over the course of a season if you concentrate on blowing away the utter dross that makes up the majority of the league table at home, as Arsenal do and have done for years, no matter how many times they get turned over at Old Trafford. Make up a blip or two with the odd bonus against a better side and you're there. Even if you fall short, there is never an excuse for not trying. Don't know where this chronic lack of ambition came from amongst our support considering what it was like ten years ago when 5th was rightly called out as not being good enough but it's really harming us. Even if you think Ashley's a cunt, that doesn't mean you don't have the right to demand better from the mug in charge of the team. Demand better all the time, make his life a fucking misery for serving up this shit. Vast swathes of people have bought into the club propaganda machine that because Man City have loads of money, Newcastle can't turn West Ham and Hull over at home so just let him off with it. It's embarrassing. Grow some fucking bollocks ffs. Well I guess you're right in that if you could reliably beat the teams outside the top four, you'd get a CL place regardless of how badly you do against the top four. But football, like life isn't like that. In any case, it would only work if the top four aren't going to do as well against the other teams as you are. The bigger flaw is underestimating the capacity of the likes of Hull to raise their game and give much better sides than us a run for their money on the day. There's no question that we've seen, over a number of years, that it's very difficult for clubs to break into that top four that was established in the very early days of the CL. It's been a self-perpetuating elite. Only Man City appear to have broken through, and that's only because they've spent obsene amounts of money. The likes of us, Everton and Spurs have had their moments, but not established themselves. But the idea that I really baulk at is 'fifth isn't good enough', especially when you hark back to Sir Bob's era. Getting rid of Sir Bob was a terrible mistake and a wasted opportunity, and it came about because of pressure brought about by the so-called failure of finishing fifth. And no-one can blame outsiders here, because the movement against Sir Bob came from local supporters, a local press, a local Chairman and a local captain. IMO we have to accept that if we do make a breakthrough, it'll need a longer term plan, and a bit of luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2562437/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Losing-Pardew-blow-club-marches-shoelaces-tied-together.html Fat, slimy cunt. What a twat. I like the way at the end he says Pardew has been saddled with us. Well boo fucking hoo, if it's such a trial for the little lamb he can fuck off and not come back, we won't shed any tears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 We should be trying to be above all of them. The best way to try and be above any of them is to be a complete flat-track bully. The preposterous myth that has grown up during the Premier League era is that the clubs that can't compete financially with the top one or two, can't therefore compete for places. How does Man City's money stop Newcastle beating Swansea or Hull or sunderland? It doesn't but clubs like ours want the fans to think that it does so they don't have to spend any money, or hire anyone more than a League One reject to be the manager, and a significant proportion of the crowd lap it up, go home and take photos of the league table if we're 7th on goal difference. The facts are that Arsenal's record against the clubs around them (other than Spurs, who they ritually humiliate the way we used to do to the mackems before Alan Pardew rocked up) is horrendous, relatively speaking. So was Bobby Robson's, with some notable exceptions - shit at Anfield, shit at Old Trafford, shit at Stamford Bridge and we generally got turned over at home by better sides too but most of the sides in the bottom half who came to SJP were disdainfully swatted away like an errant fly. That will get you far more points over a season than spending most of the year patting yourself on the back for being the latest in a long line to get one over David Moyes whilst Steve Bruce and Gus Poyet come to Newcastle and get Alan Pardew to wipe their arse and carry their bags to the bus. You generally need about 70 points on average to take 4th place and most teams who get 4th win around 19-21 games and draws make up the rest. If you win your home games against the rubbish, as a Newcastle team (and certainly this team, as it was three weeks ago) always should, and have half decent away form, you should be there or thereabouts without even needing to get a single point against Man City or Chelsea or Arsenal. 13 home wins, 3 draws, 4 defeats 8 away wins, 5 draws, 7 defeats That would be Champions League form. Really not too much to ask for over the course of a season if you concentrate on blowing away the utter dross that makes up the majority of the league table at home, as Arsenal do and have done for years, no matter how many times they get turned over at Old Trafford. Make up a blip or two with the odd bonus against a better side and you're there. Even if you fall short, there is never an excuse for not trying. Don't know where this chronic lack of ambition came from amongst our support considering what it was like ten years ago when 5th was rightly called out as not being good enough but it's really harming us. Even if you think Ashley's a cunt, that doesn't mean you don't have the right to demand better from the mug in charge of the team. Demand better all the time, make his life a fucking misery for serving up this shit. Vast swathes of people have bought into the club propaganda machine that because Man City have loads of money, Newcastle can't turn West Ham and Hull over at home so just let him off with it. It's embarrassing. Grow some fucking bollocks ffs. Well I guess you're right in that if you could reliably beat the teams outside the top four, you'd get a CL place regardless of how badly you do against the top four. But football, like life isn't like that. In any case, it would only work if the top four aren't going to do as well against the other teams as you are. The bigger flaw is underestimating the capacity of the likes of Hull to raise their game and give much better sides than us a run for their money on the day. There's no question that we've seen, over a number of years, that it's very difficult for clubs to break into that top four that was established in the very early days of the CL. It's been a self-perpetuating elite. Only Man City appear to have broken through, and that's only because they've spent obsene amounts of money. The likes of us, Everton and Spurs have had their moments, but not established themselves. But the idea that I really baulk at is 'fifth isn't good enough', especially when you hark back to Sir Bob's era. Getting rid of Sir Bob was a terrible mistake and a wasted opportunity, and it came about because of pressure brought about by the so-called failure of finishing fifth. And no-one can blame outsiders here, because the movement against Sir Bob came from local supporters, a local press, a local Chairman and a local captain. IMO we have to accept that if we do make a breakthrough, it'll need a longer term plan, and a bit of luck. I never said it would be easy. That's why it's elite sport. The point remains that if Newcastle beat the teams they should be beating, they will be very close to a points tally that is typically enough to qualify, regardless of how much money other teams have. If that points tally isn't enough, bad luck, try again next year - not "Hull might raise their game and God, Man City are rich aren't they? Better not bother our arse, 8th is top of our league." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Nobody's suggesting we don't try to finish higher! But it's a lot harder than you seem to think to have a season like the one you described - let alone do it consistently - unless you're a very good side indeed. As far as trying is concerned, what I do think is a real issue is that teams basically stop playing when they've nothing to play for. Every season, at least a couple of sides who can no longer get into Europe or go down go into massive slumps as the players, on some level, jack it in, so 8th becomes 10th or 10th becomes 14th. Which is pretty wank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Nobody's suggesting we don't try to finish higher! Apart from the club and the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NG32 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Nobody's suggesting we don't try to finish higher! But it's a lot harder than you seem to think to have a season like the one you described - let alone do it consistently - unless you're a very good side indeed. As far as trying is concerned, what I do think is a real issue is that teams basically stop playing when they've nothing to play for. Every season, at least a couple of sides who can no longer get into Europe or go down go into massive slumps as the players, on some level, jack it in, so 8th becomes 10th or 10th becomes 14th. Which is pretty w***. We could give ourselves a good chance of attacking the higher league postions if we had an MD, a recognised DoF, made regular permanent signings which haven't been bought for the purpose to re sell within a season or two and not just rely on loan signings to see us throughperiods where we have sold the crown jewels late in a window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 http://www.themag.co.uk/assets/2011/12/BenArfa13.jpg Hatem Ben Arfa told he has no future on Newcastle-Online. Can probably count with one hand the number of HBA mentions over the last few pages. Edit: And don't feed the troll nor bite the bait, people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The win over Stoke put us 3 points off 4th. It does feel like we've largely given up since then, pats on the backs all round for 8th. http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2013-2014/table/2013-12-26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I really hope this story that came out isn't true. The rest of the season is going to absolutely suck but it's going to be infinitely worse if Ben Arfa doesn't play again and is then sold off and replaced by a workman-like winger. If he's even replaced at all. I think I always knew there was a slight possibility this could happen with Pardew but hoped it never would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 but it's going to be infinitely worse if Ben Arfa doesn't play again and is then sold off How could Pardew sell him if he doesn't play ? Who'll buy him (and at what price) if he's not playing until the end of the season ? Good to see the return of the thread title. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Guess he'll eventually leave when his contract runs down if this continues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Guess he'll eventually leave when his contract runs down if this continues. I think he's already left mentally. Not starting games when everyone is fit and no chance of getting into the French squad for the WC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 but it's going to be infinitely worse if Ben Arfa doesn't play again and is then sold off How could Pardew sell him if he doesn't play ? Who'll buy him (and at what price) if he's not playing until the end of the season ? Good to see the return of the thread title. You know what I mean. One way or another he'll leave (loan/end of contract/sold) and we'll be left with Pardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Guess he'll eventually leave when his contract runs down if this continues. I think he's already left mentally. Not starting games when everyone is fit and no chance of getting into the French squad for the WC. Pardclue has broken him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Guess he'll eventually leave when his contract runs down if this continues. I think he's already left mentally. Not starting games when everyone is fit and no chance of getting into the French squad for the WC. Pardclue has broken him everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Go on youtube and search 'ben arfa trapping a ball superbly" http://i.imgur.com/Ptyzk.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Go on youtube and search 'ben arfa trapping a ball superbly" No running, no tackling. 2/10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 So good news I guess. Ben Arfa is in the training pics for Villa. So he's not in the reserves with Marveaux. Bad news is going off the bib theory, the team for villa is Krul Debuchy Taylor Colo Dummett Sissoko Gosling Anita Gouffran Cisse Remy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 If Dan fucking Gosling starts, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 So good news I guess. Ben Arfa is in the training pics for Villa. So he's not in the reserves with Marveaux. Bad news is going off the bib theory, the team for villa is Krul Debuchy Taylor Colo Dummett Sissoko Gosling Anita Gouffran Cisse Remy It'll definately be 4-4-2 with Sissoko right and Gouffran left. I would assume Tiote for Gosling, LDJ for Cisse and Williamson for Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 That bib-lineup is fucking terrible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Can't get the thought of Gosling starting out my head now. Lunacy if it happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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