Tooj Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 We should have been in for him when he was available for next to nothing, sort of understandable with the Ranger situation but it always looked pretty clear that he was a player. We were, but looking at the contract he's on we weren't be prepared to give into those demands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Massively overhyped but glad to see him with his troubles doing something with his talent rather than waste it like ranger. Btw this is the same board that put a £0 release clause in demba Ba's contract. Brady thinks she's so clever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 They did but Hoffenheim were the big losers in the Ba transfer. West Ham effectively paid around 500k for a year's loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 So any club looking to sign him has to better £60k a week. No thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 So any club looking to sign him has to better £60k a week. No thanks. Not at all. If West Ham accept the offer and he subsequently refuses to join us, he stays on £15k/week. He only gets £60k/week if West Ham refuse to accept the £10m offer. Therefore any club looking to sign him really only has to compete with his £15k/week wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Ten million quid for fuck's sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 So any club looking to sign him has to better £60k a week. No thanks. Not at all. If West Ham accept the offer and he subsequently refuses to join us, he stays on £15k/week. He only gets £60k/week if West Ham refuse to accept the £10m offer. Therefore any club looking to sign him really only has to compete with his £15k/week wages. definitely think we should be looking at him He won't settle for 15kpw on his next contract though. Plus he's likely to demand an inclusion of a release clause. Anyway, 10m is too big a risk on him. You can easily lose the whole fee if he does a Ranger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Ten million quid for fuck's sake. Ten million quid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 This is part of the reason I never complain about us not having many English players. £10m for someone who's had what, half a decent season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 This is part of the reason I never complain about us not having many English players. £10m for someone who's had what, half a decent season? #Carroll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 10m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Very good footballer though, and like you say seems to have matured Very good footballer? Is that in the same way some people describe Marveaux as a class player? People need to reserve their superlatives for players who have earned them over an extended period of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 The same board that signed Andy Carroll, gave Diame a small release clause and put a 'free transfer' relegation clause in Ba's contract? Shock. I'd love Ravel here though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/feb/15/ravel-morrison-west-ham-united-waste Ravel Morrison's unravelling at West Ham United is a tremendous waste Midfielder who gloriously waltzed through Tottenham Hotspur's defence is cut loose by club and heading to QPR There is a clip of Ravel Morrison, from an England Under-21s training session, when a corner comes in from the right and no matter how many times you watch it, even in slow motion, it is still almost implausible how he creates that lovely sound of ball against net. It is as if heading the ball, or going for the volley, is just too straightforward and too bland for a player with his gifts. He twists his body, his back leg flicks around and he is mid-air, facing away from goal, when it connects. It is the kind of finish that would ordinarily be found only on a computer game but Morrison saunters away as if it was the most normal thing in the world. Morrison had already had one round of applause on those blowy pitches in Staffordshire, after chipping the goalkeeper with the delicacy of a champion golfer pitching in and before anyone raises the obvious, nobody can say he is just a training-ground player. His goal at Tottenham earlier this season, waltzing past a couple of challenges and advancing from the halfway line, was a demonstration of high skill and balance that suggested we were seeing the flowering of the potential that once had Sir Alex Ferguson acclaiming Morrison as the most talented youngster he had seen since the schoolboy Paul Scholes. The two he scored in his first full match for England's Under-21s were not too shabby either and it does not feel too long ago since a group of us journalists were breaking bread with Roy Hodgson in the Soho Hotel, reflecting on the senior team qualifying for the World Cup after the previous night's win against Poland, and the conversation turned to which players could force their way into his squad. Morrison was one of the first names the England manager mentioned and there was nothing at the time that felt incongruous about it. Hodgson met us for lunch again a few days ago but this time nobody brought up Morrison. A player who was bewitching Premier League audiences before Christmas will join QPR this week, dropping down into the Championship in a three-month loan arrangement that pretty much takes a sledgehammer to any chance of him being on the plane to Brazil. After that, it is unclear what happens, other than to say it is amazing how quickly everything has unravelled for him at West Ham. As it stands, it is difficult to imagine him playing for the club again. It is an unusual, complex story and, inevitably, football being the business it is, there will be some who automatically assume he must have done something wrong. In football, it has always been easier to get a bad name than to lose one and Morrison's previous means there is an instinct, sometimes, to apportion blame his way. It would be a lazy assumption. Morrison has done some stupid things but it has been a few years now since he knotted a tie for court. He is still paying the price for those juvenile misdemeanours and he has had to get used to seeing his name prefaced in print with words such as "wayward" and "bad boy". Yet everyone at West Ham can confirm he has knuckled down and shown a level of dedication and professionalism that was not always there. Morrison does not drink or go to nightclubs. His diet is right. He has a steady girlfriend and better influences outside the club than people realise. Of course, he still needs guidance, but at 21 he is not the same impulsive kid of 17. Now, three months after Sam Allardyce talked of Morrison reaching the very top of his profession, he is being cut free. It is no wonder West Ham fans are feeling confused. The first thing to say is that it all feels like a tremendous waste, and there is something deeply unsatisfactory about the chain of events that has brought him to this point. Towards the end of last year, Morrison was invited to a meeting with the football agent Mark Curtis to see if he wanted to become one of his clients. Curtis does this a fair bit with Allardyce's players. At West Ham, he either represents or has links with Allardyce, Kevin Nolan, James Tomkins, Jack Collison, Matt Jarvis, Andy Carroll, Jussi Jaaskelainen and Adrian. Look through his history and there is a fairly astounding pattern of players signing up to him from Allardyce teams. He also has a chequered past of his own, with an official warning from the Football Association after the 2008 investigation into Luton Town's illegal transfer dealings. Morrison was not keen but, since then, his complaint is that he has felt under considerable pressure from Allardyce and Nolan to change his mind, claiming it is brought up on an almost daily basis. His grievance is that he wanted to go into training to learn and improve, not to have endless conversations about an agent he did not want to employ. West Ham have put this to the relevant people and they strenuously deny it. Curtis says it is "nonsense", and there is no suggestion of any wrongdoing. But Morrison has become disillusioned with his manager and captain. Allardyce has talked of Morrison complaining about a groin injury when the medical staff could find no problem. Relationships have broken down. A few months ago, Morrison appeared to have the keys to the football universe. Now he cannot wait to get out of the club. The issue has been discussed as high as it goes at Upton Park. Morrison was advised by one senior figure to put in a transfer request but decided against it. Fulham put in a £4m bid and West Ham reported them to the Premier League for alleged tapping up because of René Meulensteen saying he knew Morrison wanted to join them. The dispute may have put off Fulham from making an improved offer – West Ham wanted £10m – but no one should be too surprised if the complaint ultimately comes to nothing. The relevant people at Craven Cottage believe they have hard evidence, in line with this newspaper's information, that Morrison had been informed he should look for another club. If that is proven, West Ham's complaint will look hollow, to say the least. It will also leave their co-owners, David Sullivan and David Gold, with some awkward questions to answer. The really perplexing thing is that a club with West Ham's ambitions should, surely, want to build their future around players of this refinement. It is not going to be straightforward filling 54,000 seats when they move to the Olympic Stadium in 2016. Morrison, playing as he was before Christmas, would have helped the process enormously. Instead, if the paperwork goes through, Morrison will not be at Upton Park when Allardyce's team play Southampton next weekend. He will be a few miles across London, making his QPR debut at Charlton Athletic, with a permanent deal possible in the summer. His story is a reminder of how quickly everything can change in football. Except Morrison's belief is that little of this is actually about football. His emergence at West Ham was probably the most exciting since the early years of Joe Cole and Michael Carrick. He was the club's leading scorer and outstanding player. It seems strange, to say the least, for West Ham to shuffle that player out of the back door, especially when they are a club who normally pride themselves on looking after their own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Weird turn of events. Looked shit hot for the England u21s not too long ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Can't believe there has been no inquiry into exactly what kind of racket Allardyce is running with his agent, by trying to force a young kid to sign up with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Very very interesting insinuation about Allardyce's dealings there. If you're running WHU, it can't be healthy that half of your squad, and Manager, are represented by the same Agent. Dodgy as fuck that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 That's weird shit that. Fucking agents, horrible stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 How the fuck is this allowed as an emergency? Its an emergency that they don't quite have enough creativity in their squad to get promoted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Very very interesting insinuation about Allardyce's dealings there. If you're running WHU, it can't be healthy that half of your squad, and Manager, are represented by the same Agent. Dodgy as f*** that. Good job the lad is heading to QPR.......good to get away from any dodgy manager and his dealings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Yeah mockery of that rule. It used to be, as far as I'm aware, to be used when you have 2 keepers injured at the same time or no defenders fit or something. That article has been floating round for a while now, but I haven't really heard any comment on it in the press or Tv. Seems quite a serious accusation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Very very interesting insinuation about Allardyce's dealings there. If you're running WHU, it can't be healthy that half of your squad, and Manager, are represented by the same Agent. Dodgy as f*** that. Good job the lad is heading to QPR.......good to get away from any dodgy manager and his dealings. He's in the right place for impartial career advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Very very interesting insinuation about Allardyce's dealings there. If you're running WHU, it can't be healthy that half of your squad, and Manager, are represented by the same Agent. Dodgy as f*** that. Good job the lad is heading to QPR.......good to get away from any dodgy manager and his dealings. Should've gone to Stoke to get impartial advice from Mark Hughes and Kia Joorabchian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 How the f*** is this allowed as an emergency? Its an emergency that they don't quite have enough creativity in their squad to get promoted? They call it an emergency loan but it's different to the emergency GK loan that you are probably thinking of. The football league sides have been able to loan players (not exclusively GKs) out of the January window (til March iirc) for some time now. FIFA or UEFA didn't like it and wanted to put a stop to it but they've earned a reprieve for the next one or two seasons for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Extended til end of 2014-15 season (the emergency loan rule, not morrison's). http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25233173 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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