Skirge Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 I would like to see the following side Krul Debuchy MYM Coloccini Santon Cabaye Anita Sissoko Marveaux Gouffran Cisse Can only be this, makes real sense to play that was So Banny can fit straight into the team when he's back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 I like that setup very much as well. With two attacking fullbacks bombing forward to give some width. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 The power of the début, you know what its like that first game seems to bring a little of everything from a player, not sure all four should start even though Santon needs a break. cannot see Haidara starting but Mbiwa, Sissoko and Gourffran should all start. Tino v Boro 1996 albeit from the bench Cisse's debut goal was lovely On Marv, he's not defensively minded enough for Pards and while I may disagree I think realistically Pards will either play him central or not at all. He does not like playing wingers who don't track back much no matter how skillful. "Wingers" ffs. If I were to say Marveaux can't play wide left instead then? I believe that's where you had him in your proposed obvious lineup? I like Marveaux, but he doesn't have the ability to make up for not tracking back like Ben Arfa does. As we saw the last time he played wide. I wouldn't pick my forward players based on how much tracking back they do. Did Man City pay 20 odd million for David Silva because he puts his foot in? Who would you play in that role instead? Did you read what I said? Marveaux isn't talented enough to make up for his lack of defensive prowess. The likes of Silva, Mata are Ben Arfa are though. Let's not forget we have to do infinitely more defending than the likes of Man City and Chelsea. I wouldn't play a wide forward on the left. So what formation are you suggesting we play, 4-4-2? Who plays wide then? This idea that you have to be world class to play as an attacking player in the world's most used formation is astonishing. I didn't say you have to be world class. You have to either be so good going forward that it doesn't matter how crap you are defensively, or you have to be prepared to do the defensive work. Especially in a team like ours that doesn't dominate most matches. That's just my opinion of course. We've got two very attacking full backs and a lack of effective wide players (fit), so I'd play a diamond midfield with Anita holding, Sissoko and Cabaye in the middle and Marveaux as a #10 with a bit of room for rotation as they can all play in each position in a diamond. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 The power of the début, you know what its like that first game seems to bring a little of everything from a player, not sure all four should start even though Santon needs a break. cannot see Haidara starting but Mbiwa, Sissoko and Gourffran should all start. Tino v Boro 1996 albeit from the bench Cisse's debut goal was lovely On Marv, he's not defensively minded enough for Pards and while I may disagree I think realistically Pards will either play him central or not at all. He does not like playing wingers who don't track back much no matter how skillful. "Wingers" ffs. better tell Chelsea that Mata and Hazard are not wingers and best sub them..... He wouldn't be a "winger" anyway its possible to play someone outwide and him not to be stuck on the touchline all game. By this logic we shouldn't play Ben Arfa either because he's not a winger either. Sorry, like, but this post suggests you've not seen Marveaux play. He's nothing remotely like any of those players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 As i said if we played 4-3-3 with Gouffran on the right and Marveaux on the left it would end up like that system at times anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 I think Pardew will start with Krul, Debuchy, Santon, Sissoko, Yanga-Mbiwa, Coloccini, Marveaux, Anita, Cisse, Cabaye & Jonas. If he has a rush of blood he might put Gouffran in for Jonas but I think Jonas might be his one conservative approach rather than going all out for change, 2 players debuting will change quite a bit for us anyway. The 11 I've mentioned are more than capable of getting a decent win away at Villa as long as we go for it whenever possible during the full 90 minutes. If we're going to try and sit back at 0-0 or after taking a goal lead then we're giving them a chance of getting something from the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Can't shake the feeling that Pardew's gonna fuck us over again, such is my lack of faith in him these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Pardew will start Jonas, yes, and it's stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 The power of the début, you know what its like that first game seems to bring a little of everything from a player, not sure all four should start even though Santon needs a break. cannot see Haidara starting but Mbiwa, Sissoko and Gourffran should all start. Tino v Boro 1996 albeit from the bench Cisse's debut goal was lovely On Marv, he's not defensively minded enough for Pards and while I may disagree I think realistically Pards will either play him central or not at all. He does not like playing wingers who don't track back much no matter how skillful. "Wingers" ffs. If I were to say Marveaux can't play wide left instead then? I believe that's where you had him in your proposed obvious lineup? I like Marveaux, but he doesn't have the ability to make up for not tracking back like Ben Arfa does. As we saw the last time he played wide. I wouldn't pick my forward players based on how much tracking back they do. Did Man City pay 20 odd million for David Silva because he puts his foot in? Who would you play in that role instead? Did you read what I said? Marveaux isn't talented enough to make up for his lack of defensive prowess. The likes of Silva, Mata are Ben Arfa are though. Let's not forget we have to do infinitely more defending than the likes of Man City and Chelsea. I wouldn't play a wide forward on the left. So what formation are you suggesting we play, 4-4-2? Who plays wide then? This idea that you have to be world class to play as an attacking player in the world's most used formation is astonishing. I didn't say you have to be world class. You have to either be so good going forward that it doesn't matter how crap you are defensively, or you have to be prepared to do the defensive work. Especially in a team like ours that doesn't dominate most matches. That's just my opinion of course. We've got two very attacking full backs and a lack of effective wide players (fit), so I'd play a diamond midfield with Anita holding, Sissoko and Cabaye in the middle and Marveaux as a #10 with a bit of room for rotation as they can all play in each position in a diamond. Swansea play Routledge and Pablo Hernandez either side of Michu. Exactly which one of those "wingers" is doing the defending? And play who up front? Cisse simply cannot play in a two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 The power of the début, you know what its like that first game seems to bring a little of everything from a player, not sure all four should start even though Santon needs a break. cannot see Haidara starting but Mbiwa, Sissoko and Gourffran should all start. Tino v Boro 1996 albeit from the bench Cisse's debut goal was lovely On Marv, he's not defensively minded enough for Pards and while I may disagree I think realistically Pards will either play him central or not at all. He does not like playing wingers who don't track back much no matter how skillful. "Wingers" ffs. better tell Chelsea that Mata and Hazard are not wingers and best sub them..... He wouldn't be a "winger" anyway its possible to play someone outwide and him not to be stuck on the touchline all game. By this logic we shouldn't play Ben Arfa either because he's not a winger either. Sorry, like, but this post suggests you've not seen Marveaux play. He's nothing remotely like any of those players. I'm saying AM's can play wide as long you give them freedom without any real problems, many clubs in this league play AM's wide and have them cutting inside. Not saying he's anything like those players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Can't shake the feeling that Pardew's gonna fuck us over again, such is my lack of faith in him these days. Yeah, I'm scared it'll be Shola and Cisse up front, obertan right, Marveaux left with cabaye and anita central, I'm sure he'll start MYM and if he doesnt he should be sacked instantly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Pardew will start Jonas, yes, and it's stupid. Definitely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Swansea play Routledge and Pablo Hernandez either side of Michu. Exactly which one of those "wingers" is doing the defending? Routledge tracks back well enough. Haven't seen enough of Hernández in this league to judge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Jonas might be involved wherever possible to try and keep Colo onside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Is everyone certain Colos head is right for this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Swansea play Routledge and Pablo Hernandez either side of Michu. Exactly which one of those "wingers" is doing the defending? Routledge tracks back well enough. Haven't seen enough of Hernández in this league to judge. Routledge pins teams back with his pace. 4-3-3 is perfect for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Jonas might be involved wherever possible to try and keep Colo onside. What? Not sure if serious? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Swansea play Routledge and Pablo Hernandez either side of Michu. Exactly which one of those "wingers" is doing the defending? Routledge tracks back well enough. Haven't seen enough of Hernández in this league to judge. Routledge pins teams back with his pace. 4-3-3 is perfect for him. Yes. You'd think the same would apply for Obertan but I haven't seen anything to suggest it's the same for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Arguably one of the reasons Chelsea have been frail at the back has been their trident of attacking midfielders haven't done their share of defending exposing their full backs. I was merely commenting that Pardew won't play people wide without workrate, hence prefering Obertan to Ben arfa for a lot of last season. I think Pardew always likes to have wide players, and ones who can defend as well as attack, even if they cut in primarily rather than say wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 You just know we'll do the Newcastle thing and lose this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Swansea play Routledge and Pablo Hernandez either side of Michu. Exactly which one of those "wingers" is doing the defending? Routledge tracks back well enough. Haven't seen enough of Hernández in this league to judge. Routledge pins teams back with his pace. 4-3-3 is perfect for him. Yes. You'd think the same would apply for Obertan but I haven't seen anything to suggest it's the same for him. Obertan's just not as good, it's that simple sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Arguably one of the reasons Chelsea have been frail at the back has been their trident of attacking midfielders haven't done their share of defending exposing their full backs. I was merely commenting that Pardew won't play people wide without workrate, hence prefering Obertan to Ben arfa for a lot of last season. I think Pardew always likes to have wide players, and ones who can defend as well as attack, even if they cut in primarily rather than say wide. Obertan's doesn't have a work-rate man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Arguably one of the reasons Chelsea have been frail at the back has been their trident of attacking midfielders haven't done their share of defending exposing their full backs. I was merely commenting that Pardew won't play people wide without workrate, hence prefering Obertan to Ben arfa for a lot of last season. I think Pardew always likes to have wide players, and ones who can defend as well as attack, even if they cut in primarily rather than say wide. Obertan's work rate is dire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 The power of the début, you know what its like that first game seems to bring a little of everything from a player, not sure all four should start even though Santon needs a break. cannot see Haidara starting but Mbiwa, Sissoko and Gourffran should all start. Tino v Boro 1996 albeit from the bench Cisse's debut goal was lovely On Marv, he's not defensively minded enough for Pards and while I may disagree I think realistically Pards will either play him central or not at all. He does not like playing wingers who don't track back much no matter how skillful. "Wingers" ffs. If I were to say Marveaux can't play wide left instead then? I believe that's where you had him in your proposed obvious lineup? I like Marveaux, but he doesn't have the ability to make up for not tracking back like Ben Arfa does. As we saw the last time he played wide. I wouldn't pick my forward players based on how much tracking back they do. Did Man City pay 20 odd million for David Silva because he puts his foot in? Who would you play in that role instead? Did you read what I said? Marveaux isn't talented enough to make up for his lack of defensive prowess. The likes of Silva, Mata are Ben Arfa are though. Let's not forget we have to do infinitely more defending than the likes of Man City and Chelsea. I wouldn't play a wide forward on the left. So what formation are you suggesting we play, 4-4-2? Who plays wide then? This idea that you have to be world class to play as an attacking player in the world's most used formation is astonishing. I didn't say you have to be world class. You have to either be so good going forward that it doesn't matter how crap you are defensively, or you have to be prepared to do the defensive work. Especially in a team like ours that doesn't dominate most matches. That's just my opinion of course. We've got two very attacking full backs and a lack of effective wide players (fit), so I'd play a diamond midfield with Anita holding, Sissoko and Cabaye in the middle and Marveaux as a #10 with a bit of room for rotation as they can all play in each position in a diamond. Swansea play Routledge and Pablo Hernandez either side of Michu. Exactly which one of those "wingers" is doing the defending? And play who up front? Cisse simply cannot play in a two. Both of them do defending tbf, the 2 SF games being a brilliant example of them almost forgoing their natural forward instinct to do a job for the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Arguably one of the reasons Chelsea have been frail at the back has been their trident of attacking midfielders haven't done their share of defending exposing their full backs. I was merely commenting that Pardew won't play people wide without workrate, hence prefering Obertan to Ben arfa for a lot of last season. I think Pardew always likes to have wide players, and ones who can defend as well as attack, even if they cut in primarily rather than say wide. Obertan's doesn't have a work-rate man. Disagree, he wasn't any good, but he tried...badly and ok wasn't that great. I retract somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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