Nobody Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Dear Ralf I don't suppose you'll actually read this, what with all the reading up on depression and suicide you should probably be embarking on right now, so consider this an open letter of sorts. I read your needless response to what happened with Clarke Carlisle and instead of writing that I think you'd have been better served deleting your initial tweets and just apologising. However, there are two things from what you said I agree with; 1. Drink-driving in it's 'common' form is abhorrent. 2. You aren't an expert in mental health. I should expand on point one, you seem to treat Clarke Carlisle's incident and his mental health as two mutually exclusive entities which in my mind is incorrect. While I wouldn't want to defend any form of drink-driving, this wasn't some office worker getting pissed at his Christmas do and thinking he could make it home before his wife finds out about his mistress, this is a man so deep in depression that his judgement was clouded. Falling so deep into a hole like that means that, even for a split second, your mind can allow you to rationalise the irrational. It isn't a concious decision to suffer from depression, a grip can take a hold of you at any time and become difficult to escape. While my thoughts obviously go out to all those, such as the lorry driver, who have to suffer the effects of what happened that December morning, it would be cruel and ignorant to ignore Clarke Carlisle too. And my second point; I am not an expert on mental health, depression or suicide either. However, the day before Clarke Carlisle's attempt on his own life my older brother took his own life. I do not know the reasons, he didn't leave a note, and I do not know the method, I haven't been brave enough to ask. What I do think I know, though, is that for a split second my brother and Clarke Carlisle were both in a difficult place - a place they saw no escape from other than through taking their own lives. Thankfully for Clarke Carlisle's family, his friends and his loved ones, he is still here today. Sadly I cannot say the same of my brother, but I feel not anger towards him, I do not see him as selfish as others may, I do not judge him. I would ask that you do the same of Clarke Carlisle, and others who face similar situations as him. Mental health, depression and suicide still have a strong stigma surrounding them; your post and tweets only seek to reinforce that on the impressionable. Please educate yourself, please know that others shouldn't feel too ashamed or proud to seek help. In the aftermath of my brother's death my family chose to raise money for a charity called CALM - we wanted to raise £200 and, thanks to the generosity and understanding of others, have raised over £3000. Please look into the work that they do. Thanks Jonny Saw this on Twitter. :clap: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 What if Carlisle's actions had killed someone? Would he still have been writing that letter about someone he doesn't know to someone who does know them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm not 100% on board with all of this like. The Sun story seems really crass and perhaps even an attempt to garner public sympathy ahead of his trial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm not 100% on board with all of this like. The Sun story seems really crass and perhaps even an attempt to garner public sympathy ahead of his trial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm not 100% on board with all of this like. The Sun story seems really crass and perhaps even an attempt to garner public sympathy ahead of his trial. I think the whole point of Ralf Little's rant is just that he's seen Clark do shit to his family/loved ones time and time again and just reached a point of frustration, now that Carlisle chooses to sell his story to the god damn Sun. Probably stupid for ralf to air his grievances in such a way, especially when he doesn't actually give any new information, but I'm not gonna chastise him for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm not 100% on board with all of this like. The Sun story seems really crass and perhaps even an attempt to garner public sympathy ahead of his trial. Shocking. But aye, I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm not 100% on board with all of this like. The Sun story seems really crass and perhaps even an attempt to garner public sympathy ahead of his trial. Totally agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Is this actually the bloke from two pints of lager? A bit random if so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Is this actually the bloke from two pints of lager? A bit random if so and Royle Family. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm not 100% on board with all of this like. The Sun story seems really crass and perhaps even an attempt to garner public sympathy ahead of his trial. This is it, typical of the s*n. And this is why I feel Little felt the, ill judged, need to comment on the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 What's this about Danny Murphy saying Michael Owen was too good to die in Munich!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 A plane crash not Munich, they're talking about it here: http://www.utdforum.com/forum/showthread.php?s=41b89afa263e1a5c2b71e158d76c45f9&t=224611 It's a monumentally thick thing to say. EDIT: Audio http://mufclatest.com/former-liverpool-star-makes-insensitive-comment-about-plane-crash-live-on-radio/ EDIT Again: probably not that bad at all really just taken out of context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm not 100% on board with all of this like. The Sun story seems really crass and perhaps even an attempt to garner public sympathy ahead of his trial. not read it myself but at least the argument can be made for Carlisle's story actually might encourage people to seek help with depression etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 A plane crash not Munich, they're talking about it here: http://www.utdforum.com/forum/showthread.php?s=41b89afa263e1a5c2b71e158d76c45f9&t=224611 It's a monumentally thick thing to say. EDIT: Audio http://mufclatest.com/former-liverpool-star-makes-insensitive-comment-about-plane-crash-live-on-radio/ EDIT Again: probably not that bad at all really just taken out of context. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Well...that was a load of nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 "The plane was going through a lot of turbulence, and Michael Owen turns cheerfully around and says "Michael Owen is too good to die in a plane crash."" FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Bony replaced Jovetic in City's Champions League squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 "The plane was going through a lot of turbulence, and Michael Owen turns cheerfully around and says "Michael Owen is too good to die in a plane crash."" FFS God I wish he was wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/borussia-dortmund-players-apologise-to-incensed-fans-1.2092480 The central defender and club captain, Mats Hummels, also conversed through the fence with supporters who have seen their team lose 11 times this season. “If one is in this position after 19 games then it would be unacceptable not to have understanding of the fans’ reactions,” Hummels said. The Dortmund manager, Klopp, said he did not blame supporters for being critical: “What should the people do? The fans are disappointed and angry. Some of them fear for the future of the club. This is fully understandable. “We can be accused of anything tonight and it is all justified. Battling also means having the courage to take the right decision. We were missing that tonight. It hurts, no doubt. We are doing everything wrong at the moment. We are not making anything of our chances.” Dortmund face 15th-placed Freiburg at the weekend as they prepare for a battle for survival in the second half of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/badly-drawn-90s-footballers?s=mobile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/badly-drawn-90s-footballers?s=mobile Brilliant... Dion Dublin! :mackems: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Fuck Fucking coward. Glad he didn't die for the lorry drivers sake. Hope the driver takes him for every penny he's ever earned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 f*** f***ing coward. Glad he didn't die for the lorry drivers sake. Hope the driver takes him for every penny he's ever earned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 f*** f***ing coward. Glad he didn't die for the lorry drivers sake. Hope the driver takes him for every penny he's ever earned. Not sure you've fully grasped the issue here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 f*** "WEEPING football ace Clarke Carlisle....." The f*cking Sun man. Written by idiots, for idiots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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