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Dear Ralf

 

I don't suppose you'll actually read this, what with all the reading up on depression and suicide you should probably be embarking on right now, so consider this an open letter of sorts.

 

I read your needless response to what happened with Clarke Carlisle and instead of writing that I think you'd have been better served deleting your initial tweets and just apologising. However, there are two things from what you said I agree with;

1. Drink-driving in it's 'common' form is abhorrent.

2. You aren't an expert in mental health.

 

I should expand on point one, you seem to treat Clarke Carlisle's incident and his mental health as two mutually exclusive entities which in my mind is incorrect. While I wouldn't want to defend any form of drink-driving, this wasn't some office worker getting pissed at his Christmas do and thinking he could make it home before his wife finds out about his mistress, this is a man so deep in depression that his judgement was clouded. Falling so deep into a hole like that means that, even for a split second, your mind can allow you to rationalise the irrational. It isn't a concious decision to suffer from depression, a grip can take a hold of you at any time and become difficult to escape. While my thoughts obviously go out to all those, such as the lorry driver, who have to suffer the effects of what happened that December morning, it would be cruel and ignorant to ignore Clarke Carlisle too.

 

And my second point; I am not an expert on mental health, depression or suicide either. However, the day before Clarke Carlisle's attempt on his own life my older brother took his own life. I do not know the reasons, he didn't leave a note, and I do not know the method, I haven't been brave enough to ask. What I do think I know, though, is that for a split second my brother and Clarke Carlisle were both in a difficult place - a place they saw no escape from other than through taking their own lives. Thankfully for Clarke Carlisle's family, his friends and his loved ones, he is still here today. Sadly I cannot say the same of my brother, but I feel not anger towards him, I do not see him as selfish as others may, I do not judge him. I would ask that you do the same of Clarke Carlisle, and others who face similar situations as him.

 

Mental health, depression and suicide still have a strong stigma surrounding them; your post and tweets only seek to reinforce that on the impressionable. Please educate yourself, please know that others shouldn't feel too ashamed or proud to seek help.

 

In the aftermath of my brother's death my family chose to raise money for a charity called CALM - we wanted to raise £200 and, thanks to the generosity and understanding of others, have raised over £3000. Please look into the work that they do.

 

Thanks

 

Jonny

 

Saw this on Twitter.

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:thup: I'm not 100% on board with all of this like.  The Sun story seems really crass and perhaps even an attempt to garner public sympathy ahead of his trial.

 

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:thup: I'm not 100% on board with all of this like.  The Sun story seems really crass and perhaps even an attempt to garner public sympathy ahead of his trial.

 

:thup:

 

I think the whole point of Ralf Little's rant is just that he's seen Clark do shit to his family/loved ones time and time again and just reached a point of frustration, now that Carlisle chooses to sell his story to the god damn Sun. Probably stupid for ralf to air his grievances in such a way, especially when he doesn't actually give any new information, but I'm not gonna chastise him for it.

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:thup: I'm not 100% on board with all of this like.  The Sun story seems really crass and perhaps even an attempt to garner public sympathy ahead of his trial.

 

Totally agree.

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:thup: I'm not 100% on board with all of this like.  The Sun story seems really crass and perhaps even an attempt to garner public sympathy ahead of his trial.

 

This is it, typical of the s*n. And this is why I feel Little felt the, ill judged, need to comment on the situation.

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A plane crash not Munich, they're talking about it here: http://www.utdforum.com/forum/showthread.php?s=41b89afa263e1a5c2b71e158d76c45f9&t=224611

 

It's a monumentally thick thing to say.

 

EDIT: Audio http://mufclatest.com/former-liverpool-star-makes-insensitive-comment-about-plane-crash-live-on-radio/

 

EDIT Again: probably not that bad at all really just taken out of context.

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:thup: I'm not 100% on board with all of this like.  The Sun story seems really crass and perhaps even an attempt to garner public sympathy ahead of his trial.

not read it myself but at least the argument can be made for Carlisle's story actually might encourage people to seek help with depression etc.

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A plane crash not Munich, they're talking about it here: http://www.utdforum.com/forum/showthread.php?s=41b89afa263e1a5c2b71e158d76c45f9&t=224611

 

It's a monumentally thick thing to say.

 

EDIT: Audio http://mufclatest.com/former-liverpool-star-makes-insensitive-comment-about-plane-crash-live-on-radio/

 

EDIT Again: probably not that bad at all really just taken out of context.

 

Cheers :thup:

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http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/borussia-dortmund-players-apologise-to-incensed-fans-1.2092480

 

 

 

The central defender and club captain, Mats Hummels, also conversed through the fence with supporters who have seen their team lose 11 times this season. “If one is in this position after 19 games then it would be unacceptable not to have understanding of the fans’ reactions,” Hummels said.

The Dortmund manager, Klopp, said he did not blame supporters for being critical: “What should the people do? The fans are disappointed and angry. Some of them fear for the future of the club. This is fully understandable.

“We can be accused of anything tonight and it is all justified. Battling also means having the courage to take the right decision. We were missing that tonight. It hurts, no doubt. We are doing everything wrong at the moment. We are not making anything of our chances.”

Dortmund face 15th-placed Freiburg at the weekend as they prepare for a battle for survival in the second half of the season.

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f***

 

f***ing coward. Glad he didn't die for the lorry drivers sake. Hope the driver takes him for every penny he's ever earned.

Not sure you've fully grasped the issue here.

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