Tiresias Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The huge absence of black managers is clear reason enough to demonstrate both that discrimination is happening, and this happens without anyone being a mad racist discriminating purely on people's skin, but on a series of prejudices that starts from black players assuming that they can't make it in coaching so not even trying through to black managers struggling to get enough experience that they then can't get jobs at the top level because there are already so many white coaches moving about and upwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Sol wants the Villa job but what has he done since retiring to deserve a job in the conference never mind the top flight? Absolute knacker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 British football management is a joke top to bottom. At this rate Alan Pardew has a genuine chance of becoming the next England football manager. The frontrunner's CV consists entirely of a part-time coaching job and impressing as a TV pundit. What did Gareth Southgate do to get the Villa or England U21 job? What did Pearce do to earn his jobs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The huge absence of black managers is clear reason enough to demonstrate both that discrimination is happening, and this happens without anyone being a mad racist discriminating purely on people's skin, but on a series of prejudices that starts from black players assuming that they can't make it in coaching so not even trying through to black managers struggling to get enough experience that they then can't get jobs at the top level because there are already so many white coaches moving about and upwards. Can't believe some people refuse to accept this. Discrimination doesn't mean people are just outwardly rejecting applicants because their black, there's a whole host of issues that go together to create the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 tbf Southgate and Pearce at least have the UEFA Pro Licence. Sherwood is still studying for his, as is Sol Campbell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I know you'll have no doubt posted about it plenty when he was there, but how did you rate Sherwood, Leffe? It's all so very strange. Before his appointment as Manager/Head Coach/whatever at Spurs, he'd been quietly building his power base for a while. Nobody was really sure what he actually did, but he clearly had the ear of the chairman and was supposedly part of the panel making transfer decisions (him, Levy, AVB and Baldini, off the top of my head). He seemed to be almost unaccountable, yet powerful - almost poisonously so. Then for some reason, he decided to throw this position of power away to pretend to be a manager for half a season. The only thing I can think is that he's breathtakingly arrogant exceedingly confident in his own abilities. FWIW, I thought he did a pretty good job, given his complete lack of experience and coaching badges. He took the opportunity to throw some kids in and got good results for the most part. I thought his interviews were refreshingly blunt and honest too. I do think that there's something of a Pardew element, in that he's a bit of a chancer who isn't really a coach, more an old-school manager. I think he's blagging it, but that could still be just enough to keep them up. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Sir Les and a couple more familiar faces down there before long. I think Sherwood fancies himself as a sort of new wave Harry Redknapp. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The most boring team in premiership history has bought itself a personality. He'll at least make them interesting for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The huge absence of black managers is clear reason enough to demonstrate both that discrimination is happening, and this happens without anyone being a mad racist discriminating purely on people's skin, but on a series of prejudices that starts from black players assuming that they can't make it in coaching so not even trying through to black managers struggling to get enough experience that they then can't get jobs at the top level because there are already so many white coaches moving about and upwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 What a heap of shite. Anyone assuming they can't make it as a coach in this country because of their skin colour has no business coaching anyway, given the lack of intelligent and self-esteem that conclusion requires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 tbf Southgate and Pearce at least have the UEFA Pro Licence. Sherwood is still studying for his, as is Sol Campbell. I thought you had to have that licence before you could even manage in the PL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 What was interesting today (well, the second half) was that, for the first time in about 2 years, we got midfielders into the box. I make no claim to know a huge amount about tactics, but that was a glaringly obvious problem Lambert had. Play two midfielders who are really the same player (Cleverley, Westwood), and another who is not hugely dissimilar (Delph) and have then stand next to each other in the middle of the pitch for 88 of the 90 minutes, making no attempt to get into the box. Meanwhile Weimann and (when playing) Agbonlahor would get sucked back into midfield, leaving Benteke alone up front, in a different fucking postcode, getting more and more frustrated. Anyone watching that, though, who wonders why Villa fans have been unhappy needs to realise, that first half, that is what we have been watching EVERY MATCH at home for the last five years under Lambert and McLeish particularly, and Houllier a fair amount. In fact, even when we finished sixth three times in a row under O'Neill, home matches were awful, as we didn't get to counter attack so just had zero idea what to do. I doubt there's another club in the top flight for whom home matches have been so eye bleedingly horrific as ours for almost ten years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 tbf Southgate and Pearce at least have the UEFA Pro Licence. Sherwood is still studying for his, as is Sol Campbell. I thought you had to have that licence before you could even manage in the PL? you get a pass if your in the middle of getting it I think. I'd wonder why he didn't have it to begin with if he wanted to become a manager considering he's been retired for 10 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 tbf Southgate and Pearce at least have the UEFA Pro Licence. Sherwood is still studying for his, as is Sol Campbell. I thought you had to have that licence before you could even manage in the PL? That's supposed to be the case but they've granted exceptions in the past if you're actually in the middle of the course - think it takes quite a while to do the whole thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 tbf Southgate and Pearce at least have the UEFA Pro Licence. Sherwood is still studying for his, as is Sol Campbell. I thought you had to have that licence before you could even manage in the PL? That's supposed to be the case but they've granted exceptions in the past if you're actually in the middle of the course - think it takes quite a while to do the whole thing. Lambert did his in Germany. Clearly, his German isn't up to much, as he didn't learn a great deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 tbf i don't think it's a course you can actually fail, seems to be more of a box ticking exercise. Carver has had his over 10 years and we can all see what a tactical genius he is... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 British football management is a joke top to bottom. At this rate Alan Pardew has a genuine chance of becoming the next England football manager. The frontrunner's CV consists entirely of a part-time coaching job and impressing as a TV pundit. What did Gareth Southgate do to get the Villa or England U21 job? What did Pearce do to earn his jobs? As I keep saying on here, there's a sort of Yo Sushi style conveyor belt of shitness in English football, going round and round, with managers who have achieved nothing hopping on and off and picking up immense amounts of money, and getting jobs which really should be going to significantly better managers, only to get sacked a year later and hop back on the belt. Bruce, Pardew, Redknapp (FFS), Pearce the likes of those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Carvery Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The huge absence of black managers is clear reason enough to demonstrate both that discrimination is happening, and this happens without anyone being a mad racist discriminating purely on people's skin, but on a series of prejudices that starts from black players assuming that they can't make it in coaching so not even trying through to black managers struggling to get enough experience that they then can't get jobs at the top level because there are already so many white coaches moving about and upwards. Could not disagree more. Football cares solely about money and trophies. They will use players and managers of any colour to achieve that aim. Total nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The huge absence of black managers is clear reason enough to demonstrate both that discrimination is happening, and this happens without anyone being a mad racist discriminating purely on people's skin, but on a series of prejudices that starts from black players assuming that they can't make it in coaching so not even trying through to black managers struggling to get enough experience that they then can't get jobs at the top level because there are already so many white coaches moving about and upwards. Football cares solely about money and trophies Quick edit for you there. Look at the teams clubs field in the FAC, and the attendances watching them, for an example of that. Your username just made me laugh quite a lot. Excellent work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Carvery Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Some teams do care about trophies! I'm sick of hearing and watching Sol campbell struggle to get his words out with his silly accusations. No team on the planet will give you a job by trying to use the race card. I suggest the reason why he hasn't gone into management is because he is a bit of a wierdo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Sol Campbell's a right weirdo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Some teams do care about trophies! I'm sick of hearing and watching Sol campbell struggle to get his words out with his silly accusations. No team on the planet will give you a job by trying to use the race card. I suggest the reason why he hasn't gone into management is because he is a bit of a wierdo. ones at the top do sure but even then do you think Chelsea or Mourinhio will give a shit about winning the league cup (if they do) if they cock up the league and go out to psg in the champions league? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Carvery Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Some teams do care about trophies! I'm sick of hearing and watching Sol campbell struggle to get his words out with his silly accusations. No team on the planet will give you a job by trying to use the race card. I suggest the reason why he hasn't gone into management is because he is a bit of a wierdo. ones at the top do sure but even then do you think Chelsea or Mourinhio will give a s*** about winning the league cup (if they do) if they cock up the league and go out to psg in the champions league? But they are interested in the Prem and the CL? They are trophies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Some teams do care about trophies! I'm sick of hearing and watching Sol campbell struggle to get his words out with his silly accusations. No team on the planet will give you a job by trying to use the race card. I suggest the reason why he hasn't gone into management is because he is a bit of a wierdo. ones at the top do sure but even then do you think Chelsea or Mourinhio will give a s*** about winning the league cup (if they do) if they cock up the league and go out to psg in the champions league? But they are interested in the Prem and the CL? They are trophies. ones which offer a lot more money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Carvery Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Some teams do care about trophies! I'm sick of hearing and watching Sol campbell struggle to get his words out with his silly accusations. No team on the planet will give you a job by trying to use the race card. I suggest the reason why he hasn't gone into management is because he is a bit of a wierdo. ones at the top do sure but even then do you think Chelsea or Mourinhio will give a s*** about winning the league cup (if they do) if they cock up the league and go out to psg in the champions league? But they are interested in the Prem and the CL? They are trophies. ones which offer a lot more money Yes i take your point that the league and fa cup are worth fuck all financially but I honestly believe they would want to be the Champions of Europe on merit as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Some teams do care about trophies! I'm sick of hearing and watching Sol campbell struggle to get his words out with his silly accusations. No team on the planet will give you a job by trying to use the race card. I suggest the reason why he hasn't gone into management is because he is a bit of a wierdo. ones at the top do sure but even then do you think Chelsea or Mourinhio will give a s*** about winning the league cup (if they do) if they cock up the league and go out to psg in the champions league? But they are interested in the Prem and the CL? They are trophies. ones which offer a lot more money Yes i take your point that the league and fa cup are worth fuck all financially but I honestly believe they would want to be the Champions of Europe on merit as well it helps but if hypothetically the champions league was a purely prestige tournament or only had fa cup levels of cash on offer then they wouldn't give a shit about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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