joeyt Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 When was the last time we won without Cabaye? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 A critical crowd that haven't seen their team score since Boxing day, more complete s**** from youself after defending pardew to the backside after the chelsea game. I only feel compelled to defend Pardew firstly because I know him and secondly because the criticism on here, unlike at SJP, never seems balanced to me. But that's just my opinion and I am either less objective or more balanced because I know him. Maybe I am blind too far in favour but it does make me smile the way that we finished 5th the season before last gets completed obliterated from the history of NUFC because it doesn't suit an anti-Pardew argument. Still I guess I'm spouting complete s***, simply because I happen to have a different viewpoint. Please believe one thing, if you knew only some of what goes in behind the scenes and how the club is run, you might not change YOUR opinion, which I respect btw, but you might have a slightly different opinion of who is to blame. If you really know Pardew tell him he's a c*** and to play Ben Arfa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 When was the last time we won without Cabaye? Just a few hours ago against Aston Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Was very pleased with Dummett's showing today, one awful slip and squandering of possession on the halfway line aside. Should stay in the side in the short-term for sure. He looks promising. Liked his corners, most dangerous we have had in a while, although not deadly. He did ok but don't rate him any higher than Haidara or Santon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 A critical crowd that haven't seen their team score since Boxing day, more complete s**** from youself after defending pardew to the backside after the chelsea game. I only feel compelled to defend Pardew firstly because I know him and secondly because the criticism on here, unlike at SJP, never seems balanced to me. But that's just my opinion and I am either less objective or more balanced because I know him. Maybe I am blind too far in favour but it does make me smile the way that we finished 5th the season before last gets completed obliterated from the history of NUFC because it doesn't suit an anti-Pardew argument. Still I guess I'm spouting complete s***, simply because I happen to have a different viewpoint. Please believe one thing, if you knew only some of what goes in behind the scenes and how the club is run, you might not change YOUR opinion, which I respect btw, but you might have a slightly different opinion of who is to blame. If you really know Pardew tell him he's a cunt and to play Ben Arfa :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 The 5th place finish doesn't get "obliterated from the history of NUFC," but seemingly every counter-argument for why that 5th place finish is completely irrelevant in 2014 - and how the mistakes he was making during that season are still present now - have been obliterated from this board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 These days you're only as good as your next season. It won't be forgotten but it's not a reason for praise - we've been woeful since. Gone backwards and sold two influential players. Like Midds says, he knew what he was walking into and the door is always open for him to walk away if he doesn't like the circumstances behind the scenes. Instead he chooses to regularly defend the man who is 'to blame' for all of this, thus making himself just as culpable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 These days you're only as good as your next season. It won't be forgotten but it's not a reason for praise - we've been woeful since. Gone backwards and sold two influential players. Like Midds says, he knew what he was walking into and the door is always open for him to walk away if he doesn't like the circumstances behind the scenes. Instead he chooses to regularly defend the man who is 'to blame' for all of this, thus making himself just as culpable. Correct. Just waiting for him to move into a victim phase now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 A critical crowd that haven't seen their team score since Boxing day, more complete s**** from youself after defending pardew to the backside after the chelsea game. I only feel compelled to defend Pardew firstly because I know him and secondly because the criticism on here, unlike at SJP, never seems balanced to me. But that's just my opinion and I am either less objective or more balanced because I know him. Maybe I am blind too far in favour but it does make me smile the way that we finished 5th the season before last gets completed obliterated from the history of NUFC because it doesn't suit an anti-Pardew argument. Still I guess I'm spouting complete shit, simply because I happen to have a different viewpoint. Please believe one thing, if you knew only some of what goes in behind the scenes and how the club is run, you might not change YOUR opinion, which I respect btw, but you might have a slightly different opinion of who is to blame. Come on spill the beans then if you know? The 5th placed season isn't forgotten as many say. When he has all of his best players fit and working hard in the system he likes he has proven he can get results. He rightly got big praise for that season, especially post January when we played some really nice stuff. He also had a few, like myself who could see the danger signs with some of his tactics/use of substitutions and often negative mentality of "stop the opposition and try nick a goal" Last season immediately had warning signs when we failed to capitalise on a good season by not spending much money. That was compounded by Pardew bizarrely scraping the 4-4-3 that had served us so well and converting back to a 442 but with Cisse and Ba, which simply didn't work. As we all know once things started going badly and when he didn't have his best team to pick for ever game he looked lost. That season continued to go bad, until we had a small boost of the french guys in January that he had begged for. Unfortunately even after being given the players he'd asked for, we still hobbled over the finish line and stayed up by the skin of our teeth. This year has now seen a combination of the last two. We had a poor start, then went on a run as good as, if not better than the 5th season. Now we have just been on a run of losses reminiscent of last season. I think for many on here, the constant bullshit that he comes out with in his interviews, the assumption that he is in with Ashley and is just his mouth piece, the lack of ambition to succeed in cups(leaving Remy and Cabaye out of both fixtures) and now the recent run of being unable to motivate the team to finish the season strong. Not forgetting the Ben Arfa bullshit. That could be a few reasons why a few of us are fed up of him in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineBarrens Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 These days you're only as good as your next season. It won't be forgotten but it's not a reason for praise - we've been woeful since. Gone backwards and sold two influential players. Like Midds says, he knew what he was walking into and the door is always open for him to walk away if he doesn't like the circumstances behind the scenes. Instead he chooses to regularly defend the man who is 'to blame' for all of this, thus making himself just as culpable. Good point, and if Cisse has been written off by the majority of fans as now having spent longer out of form then in, then surely the same applies to Alan 'cotton ball mouth' Pardew, only more so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 How much of a crack-papering exercise the Remy goal was is a matter of personal opinion, but while rightly welcomed it was an isolated moment of competence. A 50,000+ crowd looks great on paper, but the thin fare they were offered up for 90 minutes reinforced the idea that many present were there in body only, attending out of a sense of duty. SJP has seldom been as silent. On a day when the manner of performance was as vital as the victory, United may have collected the points, but failed to convince many that better times lie ahead here. The win took us on to 40 points and back to eighth - cause merely for relief, not satisfaction or pleasure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Very fair review. I fear with many, because we won, the 90 minutes that came before the goal will be completely forgotten about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksammy Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Dummet's corners were pretty good actually I thought they were OK (getting past the 1st man) but they need more pace on them for me. However if they knock a ball to Williamson out wide from a set piece one more time... Pardew should be sacked for that tactic alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Strange atmosphere at the ground today, very quiet. It wasn't because of the rank football though IMO, although the cautious, clueless build up play was bad enough. Fans weren't up for it because the the season effectively ended a few weeks ago. Pardew conceded the cups and went on record to say we weren't going for the UEAFA spots. When the manager has killed any excitement and hope, it's a bit rich to then blame the crowd for not showing much of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
basjen Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I honestly thought (and felt) that I was 100% apathetic until we scored. My reaction surprised me, I screamed my lungs out. Really needed the small injection of positivity brought by the three points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Pardew defenders never want to discuss his tactics. Anyone else noticed that? Doubt they are actually aware that its so f*cking shit tbf. I don't see the point debating it anymore though, most know what the issues are and the potential for improvement is grim to none under this regime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Benteke was absolutely wank today. Usually scores against us too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 How much of a crack-papering exercise the Remy goal was is a matter of personal opinion, but while rightly welcomed it was an isolated moment of competence. A 50,000+ crowd looks great on paper, but the thin fare they were offered up for 90 minutes reinforced the idea that many present were there in body only, attending out of a sense of duty. SJP has seldom been as silent. On a day when the manner of performance was as vital as the victory, United may have collected the points, but failed to convince many that better times lie ahead here. The win took us on to 40 points and back to eighth - cause merely for relief, not satisfaction or pleasure. Regardless of the goal, what a f***ing depressing time it is when people would rather be elsewhere. Today, I turned up 5 mins late, went for a half time drink (2) at 38 and went back on 55 mins. I really could not be f***ed watching that today but went out of a sense of loyalty. Celebrated the winner like we'd won a cup as per but afterwards I still felt gutted, knowing we had basically a. we sneaked a win b. it means nothing in the long run in terms of where the clubs heading and c. the lad who scored it is (imo) just waiting to get out along with a few others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Can't believe how bad Villa were for 70 minutes of the 90. Just utter shit with no threat whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Benteke was absolutely w*** today. Usually scores against us too Tbf he's usually wank against us in general anyway.... the two goals he's scored against us were a penalty and poor defending from a corner. In both games outside of those instances he was very well marshaled and looked poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Can't believe how bad Villa were for 70 minutes of the 90. Just utter shit with no threat whatsoever. Probably would have scored if they'd come out and gone for it after HT. Weird to see a team with even less creativity and threat out wide than us though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Weird game. We started well for a change but that soon drifted away as Villa made use of the extra man in the middle, which caused Pardew to change to Cisse on the right fun times. A lot of the forward thinking players played ok in fits and starts but nobody was on it all game. There was a 20 minute spell where it seemed inevitable Villa would score but the final ball was just lacking or Krul made a decent save, then they just declared second half for some reason and seemed happy to get 0 but without ever seriously trying to see it out. But enough about them, we have enough of our own issues without worrying about them. Krul - Some decent saves first half, not totally horrific distribution for once. Debuchy - Terrible crosses but got forward well, always an outlet. Dummett - Had a nightmare 20 minutes where he turned into Shola but I thought he did ok in the end, would like to see him and Haidara plenty towards the end of the season, I'm not sure what's going on with Santon but having a left footed full back was nice. His set pieces weren't gash either, surprisingly. Willo - Really good, made one great interception during the second half. Him and Colo are our best partnership, undoubtedly. Colo - MOTM. Imperious, reads the play so well. Welcome back, please never leave Tiote - Not his best game but we have nobody else who can play his role effectively, as evidenced by his absence. So for that reason I'm glad he was back. Anita - In and out all day but the last 10 minutes he was a driving force, I've never seen him play that sort of role. A big reason we won today Gouffran - Not his best day it's fair to say but some good graft at times Sissoko - What to do with this guy. Plays without a brain but his ball carrying ability is useful. Just makes some really odd decisions, but I don't think anybody is sure where to play him. Remy - So much better than all of our other strikers, but in the 1 striker system I prefer him on the left depending on who's in the middle. Cisse - Horrific miss. His control is superb at times but he's shot. Got through some work on the right wing but why not just play a winger there? Thought it was odd that he pushed Cisse out to the right and left Remy through the middle, but then once De Jong came on he moved Remy wide. But that's just Pardew, we must change formation about 4 times a game, one sub causes the whole team to be re-positioned. Atmosphere in the last 15 minutes was fantastic, relieved to get the points. It could be a fun end to the season if we try some different things out and play with no fear but the manager will be shutting up shop for that precious 8th place. Went to the game probably the lowest I've been about NUFC, thinking what was the point etc. but came away determined to just enjoy the rest of the season, forget everything going on behind the scenes and just wait and see. It's nice being fairly relaxed at a game so I'm going to enjoy it whilst it lasts as unless the right decisions are made in the summer we might be in a spot of bother next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 "Remy thought he was fouled, Martin Atkinson didn't" serious MOTD? he's just signalled play on ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Aye, Villa didn't create many first half chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Game seems loads better in highlights form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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