Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 #wait Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Nappies in English. Oh, i had no idea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'm not surprised, just disappointed. Not in the club, mind, but in myself for ever entertaining the idea maybe they weren't complete and utter f***ups. So you've always had your doubts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 So who do people think our next manager will be? I don't care as I will have no interest in the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 So who do people think our next manager will be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 now that martin hardy has written his piece, there can be no doubt that we are heading for crisis. none of the journalists around here are as close to rafa as he is. he's not going to spout bullshit after the help rafa gave him for his book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 So who do people think our next manager will be? The sooner he finds a new job the better. Could just imagine the club doing a little blurry unveiling of him on twitter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk_lfc Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I can understand your worries and frustration but I think some of you need to calm down a wee bit. I wouldn't say Rafa is 100% happy but currently I would say your situation is DEFCON 4. When it hits DEFCON 2, you will know - Articles will come from at least 6-12 journos from England and Spain including the national ones with the same message. When the situation is DEFCON 1, you will truly know. That is the time to truly panic. Rafa is no coward. When he is genuinely unhappy, he comes out swinging at the owners. He made the following statement to the press against Moratti "There are three possibilities for the club. One, 100% support for the coach and buy four or five players to build a stronger team with competition among the players to be able to carry on winning matches and trophies. Two, carry on like this without a project, without planning, and go ahead with one person to blame, for the whole season. The third," he added, "is to speak to my agent to reach an agreement if there is not this support. Simple." Against his Valencia bosses "I was hoping for a sofa and they've brought me a lamp." He has made similar statements against LFC bosses. Do you think he will have any qualms about openly attacking Ashley? When he is unhappy to the point of being ready to walk away, there wont be any ambiguity in the message. Until that happens, no point worrying and perusing each statement in local journos articles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Reassuring words at last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Think people will leave in droves if Rafa goes all hope will be lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I honestly don't think the situation is changing from day to day. There was obviously some frustration a month ago when it was clear we were missing out on 2 or 3 targets but I don't think anything has changed since then. I mean, the main change day to day is that we're another day closer to the start of the season without the players we need to compete in the league. "Nothing changing" from a month ago is exactly the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I can understand your worries and frustration but I think some of you need to calm down a wee bit. I wouldn't say Rafa is 100% happy but currently I would say your situation is DEFCON 4. When it hits DEFCON 2, you will know - Articles will come from at least 6-12 journos from England and Spain including the national ones with the same message. When the situation is DEFCON 1, you will truly know. That is the time to truly panic. Rafa is no coward. When he is genuinely unhappy, he comes out swinging at the owners. He made the following statement to the press against Moratti "There are three possibilities for the club. One, 100% support for the coach and buy four or five players to build a stronger team with competition among the players to be able to carry on winning matches and trophies. Two, carry on like this without a project, without planning, and go ahead with one person to blame, for the whole season. The third," he added, "is to speak to my agent to reach an agreement if there is not this support. Simple." Against his Valencia bosses "I was hoping for a sofa and they've brought me a lamp." He has made similar statements against LFC bosses. Do you think he will have any qualms about openly attacking Ashley? When he is unhappy to the point of being ready to walk away, there wont be any ambiguity in the message. Until that happens, no point worrying and perusing each statement in local journos articles. I don't doubt rafas relative tolerance, just as I don't doubt the endless capacity to fuck things up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I can understand your worries and frustration but I think some of you need to calm down a wee bit. I wouldn't say Rafa is 100% happy but currently I would say your situation is DEFCON 4. When it hits DEFCON 2, you will know - Articles will come from at least 6-12 journos from England and Spain including the national ones with the same message. When the situation is DEFCON 1, you will truly know. That is the time to truly panic. Rafa is no coward. When he is genuinely unhappy, he comes out swinging at the owners. He made the following statement to the press against Moratti "There are three possibilities for the club. One, 100% support for the coach and buy four or five players to build a stronger team with competition among the players to be able to carry on winning matches and trophies. Two, carry on like this without a project, without planning, and go ahead with one person to blame, for the whole season. The third," he added, "is to speak to my agent to reach an agreement if there is not this support. Simple." Against his Valencia bosses "I was hoping for a sofa and they've brought me a lamp." He has made similar statements against LFC bosses. Do you think he will have any qualms about openly attacking Ashley? When he is unhappy to the point of being ready to walk away, there wont be any ambiguity in the message. Until that happens, no point worrying and perusing each statement in local journos articles. Enjoy your Rafa related posts. He is the best thing to happen to Newcastle United since Kevin Keegan so the thought of losing him and essentially our big chance of going anywhere because of Ashley being his usual self is an awful prospect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I can understand your worries and frustration but I think some of you need to calm down a wee bit. I wouldn't say Rafa is 100% happy but currently I would say your situation is DEFCON 4. When it hits DEFCON 2, you will know - Articles will come from at least 6-12 journos from England and Spain including the national ones with the same message. When the situation is DEFCON 1, you will truly know. That is the time to truly panic. Rafa is no coward. When he is genuinely unhappy, he comes out swinging at the owners. He made the following statement to the press against Moratti "There are three possibilities for the club. One, 100% support for the coach and buy four or five players to build a stronger team with competition among the players to be able to carry on winning matches and trophies. Two, carry on like this without a project, without planning, and go ahead with one person to blame, for the whole season. The third," he added, "is to speak to my agent to reach an agreement if there is not this support. Simple." Against his Valencia bosses "I was hoping for a sofa and they've brought me a lamp." He has made similar statements against LFC bosses. Do you think he will have any qualms about openly attacking Ashley? When he is unhappy to the point of being ready to walk away, there wont be any ambiguity in the message. Until that happens, no point worrying and perusing each statement in local journos articles. Enjoy your Rafa related posts. He is the best thing to happen to Newcastle United since Kevin Keegan so the thought of losing him and essentially our big chance of going anywhere because of Ashley being his usual self is an awful prospect. Sir Bobby like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Straight out the Ashley playbook. Start rumor about take over. Bring in a new middle man to take the flak. Go on holiday. Barnes = Tony Jimenez (2017 Edition) Incorrect. Barnes' niche is attracting investment or finding ways to raise cash. He won't have any impact on blocking Charnley, if anything he's there to ensure that Charnley is doing things by the book and avoiding any more tax drama. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Straight out the Ashley playbook. Start rumor about take over. Bring in a new middle man to take the flak. Go on holiday. Barnes = Tony Jimenez (2017 Edition) Incorrect. Barnes' niche is attracting investment or finding ways to raise cash. He won't have any impact on blocking Charnley, if anything he's there to ensure that Charnley is doing things by the book and avoiding any more tax drama. I reckon he's there to make sure the club does everything it legally needs to do in order to avoid another constructive dismissal claim in the courts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 It's not that people are defaulting to negative in the absence of information. We have 10 years of experience of Mike Ashley. We've endured two relegations, several more relegation battles, and seen Keegan walk under similar circumstances. Past experience tells us to be very suspicious when things go quiet because it usually spells trouble. We also know that it's the middle of July and we have a Championship squad that's 4 weeks away from playing Spurs, so every passing day is another day of pre-season lost for half the first-team players that we hoped (and still hope) to sign. We also know that Mike Ashley simply uses Newcastle as a vehicle for free advertising. His aim is to finish 17th - stay on the Premier League gravy train at minimal cost. If he can do that and break even it's a successful season in his eyes because his Sports Direct brand - which is his main concern - gets global TV exposure for free. Most people figured this out years ago. The arrival of Rafa raised questions and hopes - had the big TV money turned Ashley's head and persuaded him to give things a go? Or does Ashley just see Rafa as someone expendable who will make a cheap squad overperform for a while? You cannot blame people for fearing the latter, given everything Ashley has done over the past 10 years and given that Rafa called the club about the job and not the other way around. That's not bedwetting, that's 10 years of following NUFC under the current owner and considering all the context we know. There's still time to build a PL squad but the signings need to happen now if Rafa's gonna integrate half a new team. Yes, Brighton have done little either and their fans will be worried. As for the rest of the league, they either have a better squad than us, or in Huddersfield's case are giving it a good go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Chibas Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Straight out the Ashley playbook. Start rumor about take over. Bring in a new middle man to take the flak. Go on holiday. Barnes = Tony Jimenez (2017 Edition) Incorrect. Barnes' niche is attracting investment or finding ways to raise cash. He won't have any impact on blocking Charnley, if anything he's there to ensure that Charnley is doing things by the book and avoiding any more tax drama. Much like Barnes another conduit (between management & ownership) to oversee deal making, both have been/were described as Ashley's Mr Fix Its. If anything (along with the foreign investment angle) he'll ensure that the club doesn't hang itself this time by providing the manager with giftwrapped brief of evidence, for a constructive dismissal case. They'll be doing shit by the book this time, and he'll see to it ie. no more conference calls, with directives to deliberately underbid for players, ala what Keegan had to contend with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Hmm Branes, getting things in order? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/06/15/mike-ashley-drafts-trusted-abrasive-lieutenant-help-run-newcastle/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Got to say that Rafa's commitment is admirable. We can't compete with even the middle tier of PL clubs for players any more, Rafa is having to scout championship players to fill positions at the moment. This is a world class manager basically trying to keep a newly promoted club in the top division on a budget. He must really want to be here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novocastrian Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Maybe Rafa's been told the club will be changing hands in the near(ish) future so he's hanging on for a brave new world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Maybe Rafa's been told the club will be changing hands in the near(ish) future so he's hanging on for a brave new world. Hope you're right. Another more probable guess is that he is realistic re the different stages of his project. He knows the game (on and off the pitch) inside out and is planning to do what he can to consolidate our position in the Premier League on a sound performance and financial footing. Next stage improve our standing. Next stage push in among the big hitters again. Hope he is given what he needs to do this because I firmly believe he is just the man for the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Maybe Rafa's been told the club will be changing hands in the near(ish) future so he's hanging on for a brave new world. Hope you're right. Another more probable guess is that he is realistic re the different stages of his project. He knows the game (on and off the pitch) inside out and is planning to do what he can to consolidate our position in the Premier League on a sound performance and financial footing. Next stage improve our standing. Next stage push in among the big hitters again. Hope he is given what he needs to do this because I firmly believe he is just the man for the job. The bloke's a blessing, like. Hope he's here until he retires! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk_lfc Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 There was an article a year or two ago about manager reputation and their choice of clubs. They analyzed the trajectory of several managers and said that most managers after their initial success tend to pick clubs where the chances of success are high, odds are in their favor. The two managers who went against that trend was Rafa and Klopp. At three points in his career - his first league win at Valencia, league/europa double at Valencia, Istanbul - Rafa could have walked away, taken up a cushy job at Bayern or similar club, added more cups to his resume and still remained a legend among LFC and Valencia fans. I think he genuinely likes the challenge and makes decisions accordingly. After Istanbul, every club in Europe (with the exception of Man Utd and Chelsea) would have fired their manager and quadrupled his salary for him. While I understand the frustration and nervousness, I think he will walk away only when he absolutely thinks there is no hope. He is a fighter and will keep pushing till that happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk_lfc Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I am looking at your club from an outsider perspective, so forgive me if I am making incorrect assumptions. I admit I do not have detailed knowledge about your club, players, and performance. My concern though is the loss of momentum. In January, you were the hottest club in the Championship. There was no doubt you were going to come up. If I was a player, with your fanbase, manager, form, I would have picked you over a bottom 10 premiership club. The same happened after your win in May. There was a huge positive vibe and feeling of optimism and progress associated with Newcastle. You should have cashed in on that to get the players. Ashley has blown that also. As time passes, it is going to get more and more difficult to convince players that the owners are serious about Newcastle staying in the premiership. Don't get me wrong, you are Newcastle and you will always attract players. If I was a young upcoming player choosing between Newcastle and West Ham, I would have gone for Newcastle in January and May. In August, seeing how much you have invested, I would have my doubts. I have no doubt you will do fine in the long run with Rafa. Once you go below 10, the premiership is dogshit. But the more time you spend on not buying anyone, you have missed the opportunity to ride the optimism wave and jump up a couple of levels quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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