Newcastle United transfer rumours in the press

[Wullie]

Course we need another centre half - 2 really, unless he's planning to play Dummett there or can extreme confidence in promoting someone else from within like Mbabu.

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Can't see the logic in what Odin is saying at all to be honest. Injuries, suspensions, loss of form and the likelihood that we'll be playing almost 50 games this season - it's absolutely ESSENTIAL we get another CB in, and even then it's leaving us light. We were light enough last season and have since seen Coloccini and Taylor depart. Anyone suggesting we don't need CB cover needs their head checking like.

[Teasy]

Seems like he's just saying we should bring in a backup center back rather than someone meant to as a starter ahead of Lacelles and Mbemba.

[Odear]

Can't see the logic in what Odin is saying at all to be honest. Injuries, suspensions, loss of form and the likelihood that we'll be playing almost 50 games this season - it's absolutely ESSENTIAL we get another CB in, and even then it's leaving us light. We were light enough last season and have since seen Coloccini and Taylor depart. Anyone suggesting we don't need CB cover needs their head checking like.

 

I'm not saying we don't need cover, that's exactly what we need but we don't need to be signing someone who will be expecting to play every game. Like the sweaty from Blackburn.

 

And we don't just have 2, Dummett can play there, in fact it's probably his better position. So we need 1 more in to do us.

Also, what about the lads in the reserves/u21's? They have to play at some point too and i'd rather they cut their teeth this season when the pressure will be off slightly.

 

But yes, 1 CB in will do i think.

[Stal]

Really not a fan of this "can play there" mentality. Yes, in a pinch or during a match when a substitution is forced upon us. But we should have competent specialist centre backs.

Two other points:

1) Dummet will likely play left back this season so why shift folk around rather than have someone specialist to come in? (except in the case of bare bones emergencies)

2) The rotation thing. We have a LOT of games coming up so having players who can slip straight into their preferred position without having to adjust would be far more useful. Rafa rotates and we have a lot of games. It's not likely to be so that the newcomer suddenly gets ahead of our current two in the pecking order.

 

Im going to add in a bonus point, wouldn't it be good to have a more experienced centre back for our current young pairing to learn from?

[BottledDog]

Really not a fan of this "can play there" mentality. Yes, in a pinch or during a match when a substitution is forced upon us. But we should have competent specialist centre backs.

Two other points:

1) Dummet will likely play left back this season so why shift folk around rather than have someone specialist to come in? (except in the case of bare bones emergencies)

2) The rotation thing. We have a LOT of games coming up so having players who can slip straight into their preferred position without having to adjust would be far more useful. Rafa rotates and we have a lot of games. It's not likely to be so that the newcomer suddenly gets ahead of our current two in the pecking order.

 

Im going to add in a bonus point, wouldn't it be good to have a more experienced centre back for our current young pairing to learn from?

 

Yes it would be good to get an experienced centre back in, but not at the expense of the two we have that will hopefully,  with experience,  be the two to take us up and beyond.

And I really dont think Dummett moving to centre back is anything other than progression in his case; we still have Mbabu and Haidarra waiting in the wings as (potentially better) left back specialists.

 

We need a new Frank Dumas to steady the ship when we're a bit buggered, not someone that will be first choice from the off.

 

/not quite like Frank Dumas obvs, maybe a Killer Killcline[sic]...

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It's especially difficult to sign the right level of CB if we expect them to contribute if we get promoted. I get the argument about just having as many good players as possible though, hopefully Rafa can manage them all.

[Hanshithispantz]

Really not a fan of this "can play there" mentality. Yes, in a pinch or during a match when a substitution is forced upon us. But we should have competent specialist centre backs.

Two other points:

1) Dummet will likely play left back this season so why shift folk around rather than have someone specialist to come in? (except in the case of bare bones emergencies)

2) The rotation thing. We have a LOT of games coming up so having players who can slip straight into their preferred position without having to adjust would be far more useful. Rafa rotates and we have a lot of games. It's not likely to be so that the newcomer suddenly gets ahead of our current two in the pecking order.

 

Im going to add in a bonus point, wouldn't it be good to have a more experienced centre back for our current young pairing to learn from?

 

Aye, it depends what our plan for Dummet is, if he's ideally part of the first XI  then we cannot really go into a season with the idea of him playing CB or LB when needed. Same with Anita, it's nice to have a player who can fill in multiple places but you want them to be making 15-20 appearances a season, not 46 across several positions.

[Mole_Toonfan]

One CB will be enough imo, everyone is looking at the worst possible outcome but the reality is most teams don't have 4 recognised CBs.

 

I know we usually have shit tonnes of injuries but that isn't normal, most clubs don't have both their first choice defenders out for long term periods at a time.

 

Mbemba, Lascelles, new CB, Dummett (who is more of a CB than a fullback anyway)  and who ever else is versatile enough to do a job if necessary is more than enough.

[KaKa]

One CB will be enough imo, everyone is looking at the worst possible outcome but the reality is most teams don't have 4 recognised CBs.

 

I know we usually have s*** tonnes of injuries but that isn't normal, most clubs don't have both their first choice defenders out for long term periods at a time.

 

Mbemba, Lascelles, new CB, Dummett (who is more of a CB than a fullback anyway)  and who ever else is versatile enough to do a job if necessary is more than enough.

 

Hayden can play at centre back as well.

[Hanshithispantz]

One CB will be enough imo, everyone is looking at the worst possible outcome but the reality is most teams don't have 4 recognised CBs.

 

I know we usually have shit tonnes of injuries but that isn't normal, most clubs don't have both their first choice defenders out for long term periods at a time.

 

Mbemba, Lascelles, new CB, Dummett (who is more of a CB than a fullback anyway)  and who ever else is versatile enough to do a job if necessary is more than enough.

But we do though and surely that's the important point.

 

Every season we've had issues with our lack of squad depth. If Dummett has to move into the centre then our backup LB has to slot in on the left (if Dummett is first choice), then if he's fucked we have to move someone else there (maybe Aarons like last season, fuck knows). Then another goes. We then end up with a makeshift back line and have to stiffen up to accommodate it and stop us from shipping 4 goals a game.

[Hanshithispantz]

Obviously it's the Championship like so maybe we're overthinking it, but with our luck I'd never be afraid of being too cautious.

[Ketsbaia]

Are Championship sides still able to loan outside the transfer window?

[Mole_Toonfan]

One CB will be enough imo, everyone is looking at the worst possible outcome but the reality is most teams don't have 4 recognised CBs.

 

I know we usually have s*** tonnes of injuries but that isn't normal, most clubs don't have both their first choice defenders out for long term periods at a time.

 

Mbemba, Lascelles, new CB, Dummett (who is more of a CB than a fullback anyway)  and who ever else is versatile enough to do a job if necessary is more than enough.

But we do though and surely that's the important point.

 

Every season we've had issues with our lack of squad depth. If Dummett has to move into the centre then our backup LB has to slot in on the left (if Dummett is first choice), then if he's f***ed we have to move someone else there (maybe Aarons like last season, f*** knows). Then another goes. We then end up with a makeshift back line and have to stiffen up to accommodate it and stop us from shipping 4 goals a game.

 

Yeah but I'm advocating that we buy another LB for that very reason and we probably need one anyway.

 

I agree with what you're saying, just that we shouldn't have to sign a ridiculous amount of players just because our backroom staff as it attains to fitness are incompetent.

 

Hopefully Rafa is doing his best to sort out those issues.

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Are Championship sides still able to loan outside the transfer window?

 

What's Fitz Hall up to these days?

[thomas]

Are Championship sides still able to loan outside the transfer window?

 

What's Fitz Hall up to these days?

About 6'4"

[relámpago blanco]

Any idea who the cb will be if ots not Hanley?

[Willow]

Are Championship sides still able to loan outside the transfer window?

 

What's Fitz Hall up to these days?

About 6'4"

 

[TRon]

One CB will be enough imo, everyone is looking at the worst possible outcome but the reality is most teams don't have 4 recognised CBs.

 

I know we usually have s*** tonnes of injuries but that isn't normal, most clubs don't have both their first choice defenders out for long term periods at a time.

 

Mbemba, Lascelles, new CB, Dummett (who is more of a CB than a fullback anyway)  and who ever else is versatile enough to do a job if necessary is more than enough.

 

Hayden can play at centre back as well.

 

The point is, we have only one really big centre back and that's Lascelles. Rafa will want another one in case he's injured and to challenge him and Mbemba for the shirt. Hayden, Mbabu and Dummett are not proper CB's regardless if they can do a job there for a few games.

[toontownman]

Any idea who the cb will be if ots not Hanley?

 

Tom lees or Richard Keogh according to rags. Ayala is wanted but too expensive and maybe wont fancy the move. Lewis Dunk is also likey out of reach now. All quiet on the caulked front.

[Mole_Toonfan]

One CB will be enough imo, everyone is looking at the worst possible outcome but the reality is most teams don't have 4 recognised CBs.

 

I know we usually have s*** tonnes of injuries but that isn't normal, most clubs don't have both their first choice defenders out for long term periods at a time.

 

Mbemba, Lascelles, new CB, Dummett (who is more of a CB than a fullback anyway)  and who ever else is versatile enough to do a job if necessary is more than enough.

 

Hayden can play at centre back as well.

 

The point is, we have only one really big centre back and that's Lascelles. Rafa will want another one in case he's injured and to challenge him and Mbemba for the shirt. Hayden, Mbabu and Dummett are not proper CB's regardless if they can do a job there for a few games.

 

Dummett is tbh, also Hayden is as well from what I have read he's played loads of games there it just so happens he's better in midfield but that doesn't mean he's only a stop gap.

[TRon]

One CB will be enough imo, everyone is looking at the worst possible outcome but the reality is most teams don't have 4 recognised CBs.

 

I know we usually have s*** tonnes of injuries but that isn't normal, most clubs don't have both their first choice defenders out for long term periods at a time.

 

Mbemba, Lascelles, new CB, Dummett (who is more of a CB than a fullback anyway)  and who ever else is versatile enough to do a job if necessary is more than enough.

 

Hayden can play at centre back as well.

 

The point is, we have only one really big centre back and that's Lascelles. Rafa will want another one in case he's injured and to challenge him and Mbemba for the shirt. Hayden, Mbabu and Dummett are not proper CB's regardless if they can do a job there for a few games.

 

Dummett is tbh, also Hayden is as well from what I have read he's played loads of games there it just so happens he's better in midfield but that doesn't mean he's only a stop gap.

 

I don't think either player could give us what Lascelles did last season in terms of physical dominance. Mbemba looked twice the player once he had a proper imposing centre back next to him.

[toontownman]

One more CB would be fine til Christmas when we can reassess.  Plenty of coverage and possibly a surprise graduate from the youth team. Didn't realise manure had a bid for Findlay rejected by celtic last summer. 

 

While lascelles and mbemba should be our starting cbs. We definitely need people to be pushing them. There is no point buying players that aren't good enough to demand a starting spot. Morally I feel there should be a balance with giving those guys priority but that's not how to be successful. Competition is healthy.

 

All that said the centre would still feel like it's missing an experienced leader if we bring Hanley in, even though he has years experience.

 

 

[Guest]

Easy to forget this Findlay kid played 20 odd games in the Scottish Premier last season. He could easily be a 5th choice similarly to what Kadar was last time we were down here.

[SEMTEX]

Adam Campbell played 20 odd games in the Scottish Premier and scored 39 goals. That league is bobbins. Should be 10th choice at best.