Mr Logic Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 The Asoro rumour: I met Carr at Sweden-Netherlands on Tuesday (my article and quotes). Did not get the impression we're after him, just that he and Arsenal's Bobby Bennett were both really impressed with him when they watched Sweden-Spain U21 the day before. Spoke to Carr for quite a while. Very open and honest, somewhat feels he's been harshly criticized. He was clear on the fact that Rafa runs the whole show now, said all of the signings this summer was Rafa's. Referred a lot back to Tioté, Cabaye, Debuchy and Ben Arfa and said that in Ben Arfa's case, it was all Pardew. "He only played him at times because he was a fan favourite. Just look at him now" was his conclusion. He also said Saivet was meant to be Tioté's replacement in January as the club was certain he was going, and badly misused as a consequence of that. All in all, I'd not expect him to be part of the club's setup for much longer. He said some things that made me quite certain he's not in any significant power, and from the sound of it, Benitez has a very different idea of who to sign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Interesting stuff. N-O EXCLUSIVE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 The Asoro rumour: I met Carr at Sweden-Netherlands on Tuesday (my article and quotes). Did not get the impression we're after him, just that he and Arsenal's Bobby Bennett were both really impressed with him when they watched Sweden-Spain U21 the day before. Spoke to Carr for quite a while. Very open and honest, somewhat feels he's been harshly criticized. He was clear on the fact that Rafa runs the whole show now, said all of the signings this summer was Rafa's. Referred a lot back to Tioté, Cabaye, Debuchy and Ben Arfa and said that in Ben Arfa's case, it was all Pardew. "He only played him at times because he was a fan favourite. Just look at him now" was his conclusion. He also said Saivet was meant to be Tioté's replacement in January as the club was certain he was going, and badly misused as a consequence of that. All in all, I'd not expect him to be part of the club's setup for much longer. He said some things that made me quite certain he's not in any significant power, and from the sound of it, Benitez has a very different idea of who to sign. Sounds interesting. Also sounds like Pardew has done the same with Jedinak, a fan favourite, held in higher esteem than Pardew. Binned off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 The Asoro rumour: I met Carr at Sweden-Netherlands on Tuesday (my article and quotes). Did not get the impression we're after him, just that he and Arsenal's Bobby Bennett were both really impressed with him when they watched Sweden-Spain U21 the day before. Spoke to Carr for quite a while. Very open and honest, somewhat feels he's been harshly criticized. He was clear on the fact that Rafa runs the whole show now, said all of the signings this summer was Rafa's. Referred a lot back to Tioté, Cabaye, Debuchy and Ben Arfa and said that in Ben Arfa's case, it was all Pardew. "He only played him at times because he was a fan favourite. Just look at him now" was his conclusion. He also said Saivet was meant to be Tioté's replacement in January as the club was certain he was going, and badly misused as a consequence of that. All in all, I'd not expect him to be part of the club's setup for much longer. He said some things that made me quite certain he's not in any significant power, and from the sound of it, Benitez has a very different idea of who to sign. Very enlightening. Feel a bit for Carr, he did bring some real talent here, I just think he looked at pure ability without taking into consideration the demands and pace of the premier league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Carr had one source for targets; I'm sure someone posted on here the other day that about 8/9 of our signings were represented by the same agency, which seems eminently plausible. His connections would've been more of an asset if they didn't represent our entire scouting network. What Carr's role was in the club's wider rhetoric, perpetuated by the likes of Pardew etc, remains largely unknown. The fact that he recently had an interview with Radio Newcastle and talked only about cricket and Northampton Town left me a bit suspicious. I won't be sorry to see the back of him if he does go because, if nothing else, he's a big part of the era we've (hopefully) just come out of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Mondial Sport, yes, been mentioned on here loads. If he had as much a say as reported he should have done everything in his power to keep Ben Arfa here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Mondial Sport, yes, been mentioned on here loads. If he had as much a say as reported he should have done everything in his power to keep Ben Arfa here. you cant argue with The King Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Where are the idiots that kept claiming Rafa wasn't making the signings over the summer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Where are the idiots that kept claiming Rafa wasn't making the signings over the summer? He didn't, Charnley did, Rafa said so himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Think Carr was lauded as a footballing guru when it suited the club and thrown under the bus when that suited them too. He's bent as anything, but nearly every football agent and scout are. A bunch of rich folk doing favours for one another for the right price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 All in all, I'd not expect him to be part of the club's setup for much longer. He said some things that made me quite certain he's not in any significant power, and from the sound of it, Benitez has a very different idea of who to sign. Not so sure on that. He's getting on a bit now and obviously still loves the game. I could see him just doing his simple scouting until he retires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Think Carr was lauded as a footballing guru when it suited the club and thrown under the bus when that suited them too. He's bent as anything, but nearly every football agent and scout are. A bunch of rich folk doing favours for one another for the right price. Unbelievably harsh man. I truly believe so many more of the players he brought in would have done far better if we ever bothered to have a decent manager at the club at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Really no need for the homophobia, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Kaka and Carr, ffs. It's embarrassing. Not one Carr-scouted player has done owt in football besides contribute to our relegation - and I obviously don't include international players we'd all heard of in that. Not to mention his role in appointing Steve McClaren when we had 6 months to get pretty much any unemployed or contractually vulnerable manager we wanted. Move on, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Really no need for the homophobia, like. Fuck sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Carr's job might have said chief scout but in reality he was more of an agent than anything else. His remit was to find young players with sell on value and, by in large, he achieved that. The whole "well I'd heard of him," crack is tiresome. That wasn't the crux of Carr's job and we all know it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Think Carr was lauded as a footballing guru when it suited the club and thrown under the bus when that suited them too. He's bent as anything, but nearly every football agent and scout are. A bunch of rich folk doing favours for one another for the right price. Unbelievably harsh man. I truly believe so many more of the players he brought in would have done far better if we ever bothered to have a decent manager at the club at the time. That's rubbish as many have done shit after leaving us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Carr's job might have said chief scout but in reality he was more of an agent than anything else. His remit was to find young players with sell on value and, by in large, he achieved that. The whole "well I'd heard of him," crack is tiresome. That wasn't the crux of Carr's job and we all know it. We've sold, what, two players for a profit from his scouting? I'd say that is pretty poor if that was his job like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I guess Carr never factored in how we would misuse and freeze out so many of his signings. Ben Arfa alone should have fetched £30m in sell-on. Agree he's more of an agent though, and has a dodgy relationship with that agency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Carr's job might have said chief scout but in reality he was more of an agent than anything else. His remit was to find young players with sell on value and, by in large, he achieved that. The whole "well I'd heard of him," crack is tiresome. That wasn't the crux of Carr's job and we all know it. We've sold, what, two players for a profit from his scouting? I'd say that is pretty poor if that was his job like. That's more to do with Pardew tbh, we technically didn't sell Ben Arfa either but under anyone with competence we would have and for s*** loads. Carr has had plenty of downs as well as ups but the Pardew factor shouldn't be ignored as it's the main reason why a lot of the signings weren't more successful. But this has been done to death with far too many people straight up ignoring the Pardew and Ashley factors for there to be an actual balanced discussion on the subject. Either way we are in a much better place now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Excellent point Mole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Carr's job might have said chief scout but in reality he was more of an agent than anything else. His remit was to find young players with sell on value and, by in large, he achieved that. The whole "well I'd heard of him," crack is tiresome. That wasn't the crux of Carr's job and we all know it. We've sold, what, two players for a profit from his scouting? I'd say that is pretty poor if that was his job like. Not that it's that much better, but it's more like six. We've sold 3 or 4 just this window for a profit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 At some point he became the scapegoat. All of the blame for where we are should lie at Charnley's door as he controls the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 At some point he became the scapegoat. All of the blame for where we are should lie at Charnley's door as he controls the club. I'd say it was further back than that. I think it was Llambias that started the whole purple, buying within ridiculously stringent age and price limits with the aim to make profits nonsense. Charnley carried it on and should shouder a hell of a lot of blame too, but Llambias, well he was just pure scumbag personified. Anyway, it's Ashley who is at most fault as he let or controlled what actions went on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 He was apparently driving the McClaren appointment and that's the worst thing he did, never mind all the average French wankers he signed up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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