triggs Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) I actually really rate Morata but he's basically bad luck Brian in footballer form Monumental improvement on Luuk de Jong at the very least Edited January 25, 2022 by triggs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Cheese Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, Manxst said: Alvarez is 2.47 and Nunez 2.28 and Vlahovic 2.57? Morata - 3.04 across both his spells at Real and Juve, Chelsea, Atletico Morata's 29 now, players mentioned are at the start of their careers, playing for 'lesser' sides - the premium placed on them is the expectation that they are going to get better, especially when paired with better players. Morata is clearly a top player, but not one of Europe's elites. Situation now though is that no other clubs other than the elite can afford to sign/pay him - but personally I'd be thinking Barcelona could still be aiming higher than Morata. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Clockwork Cheese said: Morata - 3.04 across both his spells at Real and Juve, Chelsea, Atletico Morata's 29 now, players mentioned are at the start of their careers, playing for 'lesser' sides - the premium placed on them is the expectation that they are going to get better, especially when paired with better players. Morata is clearly a top player, but not one of Europe's elites. Situation now though is that no other clubs other than the elite can afford to sign/pay him - but personally I'd be thinking Barcelona could still be aiming higher than Morata. Morata has 176 in 474 = 2.69. Yes, those you mentioned might get better but they might not. I’m not saying Morata is a world beater, but he’s consistently scored goals at the highest level throughout his career. edit- 474 not 464. Edited January 25, 2022 by Manxst Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 35 minutes ago, Manxst said: He’s got 27 goals in 70 appearance for a Juve over the last two years, and 22 in 61 for Athletico prior to that, and 24 in 72 for Chelsea before that. He’s consistently scored goals. He’s just not top level, but he scores goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I would say his play outside of scoring goals is more impressive and he just doesn't score enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Cheese Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Manxst said: Morata has 176 in 474 = 2.69. Yes, those you mentioned might get better but they might not. I’m not saying Morata is a world beater, but he’s consistently scored goals at the highest level throughout his career. edit- 474 not 464. Totally missed his total season appearances and for some reason worked out 3.04 from league games - didn't include him playing for Castilla though, 45 in 83 there in the Segunda Division does fluff it somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Messi, Ronaldo and now Lewandowski have completely ruined people's expectations in regards to goal return IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Clockwork Cheese said: Totally missed his total season appearances and for some reason worked out 3.04 from league games - didn't include him playing for Castilla though, 45 in 83 there in the Segunda Division does fluff it somewhat. It’s all good. For ‘fluffing’, it’s probably the same as Nunez playing for Benfica against the rest of the Portuguese league, and Alvarez playing for the Argentinian champions…. ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Cheese Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Froggy said: Messi, Ronaldo and now Lewandowski have completely ruined people's expectations in regards to goal return IMO. Wouldn't entirely agree - vast majority of people appreciate the numbers Ronaldo and Messi were hitting in La Liga were unheralded, and likely never to be seen again. I think it's a fair expectation that the top clubs are paying the top money to be getting strikers that are scoring around 2 in 3 at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Jizz Hornkamp is the best name I've heard since Dick Pound Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Clockwork Cheese said: Wouldn't entirely agree - vast majority of people appreciate the numbers Ronaldo and Messi were hitting in La Liga were unheralded, and likely never to be seen again. I think it's a fair expectation that the top clubs are paying the top money to be getting strikers that are scoring around 2 in 3 at least. I could go and look myself, but how many current strikers are scoring at a rate of 2 in 3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Clockwork Cheese said: Wouldn't entirely agree - vast majority of people appreciate the numbers Ronaldo and Messi were hitting in La Liga were unheralded, and likely never to be seen again. I think it's a fair expectation that the top clubs are paying the top money to be getting strikers that are scoring around 2 in 3 at least. I haven’t checked, but who do you reckon gets that kind of ratio? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 https://www.givemesport.com/1582738-the-50-players-with-the-best-goaltogame-ratio-in-the-21st-century-15th1st Neymar, Suarez, Mbappe I guess! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Cheese Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Manxst said: I haven’t checked, but who do you reckon gets that kind of ratio? No idea exact numbers, just plucked that figure off top of my head tbh. Grew up always thinking a 1 in 2 to be a top level scoring record, so went for something a bit better than that! My point would be if a club competing to win a domestic title each year and Champions Leagues, and spending big money on a striker I think it's fair enough to expect an elite level of scoring. At present £100M odd on Lukaku going back to Chelsea is proving to be a bit of a take - especially when Haaland would be on the market for those sorts of prices, and even money expended on Werner coming from RB with a record of actually scoring a goal or two. Theres a few players in recent years that have fairly incredible scoring rates I'd say. Without looking at numbers and outside of Messi and Ronaldo at Real I can think of.... Obviously Lewandowski and Haaland in Germany - Suarez/Barcelona even last season at Atletico... Ronaldo/Juve, Ibra/PSG, Salah/Liverpool, Aguero/Man City, Lukaku/Inter, PEA/Dortmund, Falcao/Porto-AM-Monaco, Mbappe/PSG, Immobile/Lazio Edited January 25, 2022 by Clockwork Cheese Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotia1997 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Lot of rumours going on up here in Glasgow that Ryan Kent is heading to Villa. Find it utter nonsense considering they're after Bentancaur and just brought in Coutinho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Burnley in advanced talk to sign Orsic. I can't say I know anything about him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Burnley in advanced talk to sign Orsic. I can't say I know anything about him. He's nothing special according to a Croatian colleague. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Vlahovic off to Juve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 56 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Vlahovic off to Juve. That'll go down well in Florence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Julian Alvarez off to City Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) Cabral as Vlahovic replacement for 16m euros. Edited January 26, 2022 by LRD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, LRD said: Cabral as Vlahovic replacement for 16m euros. Same Cabral we passed on to try Chris Woods, let’s hope he’s shit so we aren’t all fuming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Same Cabral we passed on to try Chris Woods, let’s hope he’s shit so we aren’t all fuming Suicide watch on this forum if he is a success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 15 hours ago, The Prophet said: Burnley in advanced talk to sign Orsic. I can't say I know anything about him. He's the lad who scored a hat trick against Spurs I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 3 hours ago, joeyt said: He's the lad who scored a hat trick against Spurs I think He is; decent dead ball strike on him too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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