SUPERTOON Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Dybala reception Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanista Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, leffe186 said: Oh that makes more sense, I didn’t realize that you were criticizing other Milan fans for thinking that lower PL clubs pay more in wages, can outbid Milan etc. It is worth looking at the numbers though. These are the Serie A wage bills from a year or two ago: And these are the numbers for the Premier League: Milan does have a lower bill than the top PL sides. And the difference as you go down Serie A is stark when compared to the PL. Clearly the TV deal is a huge factor. I don't think those numbers are accurate for the Italian clubs, they don't look right for Milan, that much I will say. Milan has drastically cut its salaries, by getting rid of many underperforming players--our wages used to be bloated. We pay our superstar LW Rafa Leao 1.5m, for example, instead of the 3m we used to pay Suso, for example. Leao (along with many others) is in line for a massive pay increase. The other major factor here is that Milan has taken full advantage of a new tax law that means that Milan pays tax only on 50% of a player's earnings. This is why our wage bill has dropped drastically, and why we can offer better wages after tax than other clubs outside of Italy. So a player who makes 1m net costs us around 1.2m gross, versus approximately 2m in England or France (except Monaco, who have no tax). This cuts down on our costs, tremendously. Leeds highest earner is on 3.5m gross, which is the sort of salary we used to pay squad players under Leonardo, before Maldini came to town. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Milanista said: I don't think those numbers are accurate for the Italian clubs, they don't look right for Milan, that much I will say. Milan has drastically cut its salaries, by getting rid of many underperforming players--our wages used to be bloated. We pay our superstar LW Rafa Leao 1.5m, for example, instead of the 3m we used to pay Suso, for example. Leao (along with many others) is in line for a massive pay increase. The other major factor here is that Milan has taken full advantage of a new tax law that means that Milan pays tax only on 50% of a player's earnings. This is why our wage bill has dropped drastically, and why we can offer better wages after tax than other clubs outside of Italy. So a player who makes 1m net costs us around 1.2m gross, versus approximately 2m in England or France (except Monaco, who have no tax). This cuts down on our costs, tremendously. Leeds highest earner is on 3.5m gross, which is the sort of salary we used to pay squad players under Leonardo, before Maldini came to town. https://www.capology.com/club/ac-milan/salaries/ is this roughly correct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Milanista said: I don't think those numbers are accurate for the Italian clubs, they don't look right for Milan, that much I will say. Milan has drastically cut its salaries, by getting rid of many underperforming players--our wages used to be bloated. We pay our superstar LW Rafa Leao 1.5m, for example, instead of the 3m we used to pay Suso, for example. Leao (along with many others) is in line for a massive pay increase. The other major factor here is that Milan has taken full advantage of a new tax law that means that Milan pays tax only on 50% of a player's earnings. This is why our wage bill has dropped drastically, and why we can offer better wages after tax than other clubs outside of Italy. So a player who makes 1m net costs us around 1.2m gross, versus approximately 2m in England or France (except Monaco, who have no tax). This cuts down on our costs, tremendously. Leeds highest earner is on 3.5m gross, which is the sort of salary we used to pay squad players under Leonardo, before Maldini came to town. They are from 2020-21, so a couple of years off. I very much doubt that you will find a better source for this stuff than Swiss Ramble though. What is your source for Serie A wages? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Manxst said: https://www.capology.com/club/ac-milan/salaries/ is this roughly correct? All figures are not inclusive of bonuses or incentives. Actual salary figures may vary. Salary coverage may be limited or incomplete. That’s one very good reason why you should take sites that quote individual salaries with a huge grain of (ironically) salt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dazzanufc1892 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, leffe186 said: That’s one very good reason why you should take sites that quote individual salaries with a huge grain of (ironically) salt. Before or after tax? not knowing this renders it pointless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanista Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, leffe186 said: They are from 2020-21, so a couple of years off. I very much doubt that you will find a better source for this stuff than Swiss Ramble though. What is your source for Serie A wages? Calcio e Finanza and Il Sole 24 Ore are the best sources for financial reports on teams. Capology is good, but still off, for example, they didn't seem to factor Romagnoli's salary properly--granted, neither did SwissRamble or other Italian papers until it was revealed that he was earning 6m net. I'm not even sure what you are trying to prove though? That English teams can pay more than Milan? If so, I don't agree. I also don't think wage bill totals, considering the tremendous tax advantage Italian teams have, is an accurate reflection either. I have not disputed that EPL salaries average higher than Italy. I simply find the idea that Leeds, West Ham, or Leicester can financially muscle, in the words of tifo "the Italian champions AC Milan" to be... wrong and inaccurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Luis Suarez back to his first club in Uruguay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 This topic is interesting but I have no clue what the argument is about. @Milanista saying that Milan have loads of money while downplaying their budget massively means I'm not sure I get his point. If Milanista's numbers are right they are paying less wages than Leeds which contradicts his original point, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Always thought he looked okay at Wolves was surprised they got rid of him so quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 hour ago, joeyt said: Always thought he looked okay at Wolves was surprised they got rid of him so quickly. Yeah, they seemed to sour on him pretty fast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Forest - Wow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakzz Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 West Ham seems to be this window leader so far of the «normal» Clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gbandit Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Barca can get to fuck like, appallingly run club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Forest having a rager of a transfer market. Buying half a new squad seems incredibly risky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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toon25 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 58 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said: Forest - Wow God... They're after Ramsey too apparently. I think it's more likely to end in tears than not. Hopefully we'll fucking nail the cunts next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 hour ago, JonBez comesock said: Forest - Wow Priority signing but also possibly 12th summer signing ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Big fan of Forest going all in. They recognized their Champo squad wasn’t good enough for this level and didn’t hem and haw about replacing it. Jury’s out on whether it’ll be enough to keep them up, but at least they can’t be accused of not trying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 hour ago, 54 said: Solid pair of fullbacks. Robinson is quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 I’m a big fan of Forest going all in and failing spectacularly, it’ll be much more satisfying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Ramsey would be an awful signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasiliou Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Tomato Deuce said: Solid pair of fullbacks. Robinson is quality. Heard Mbabu's still unvaxed and that's why nobody else wanted him. Edited July 27, 2022 by Papavasiliou Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Forest are going to be pretty fun on FM24 after this relegation season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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